ID, TE and the sizes of the tents

From: Ted Davis (tdavis@messiah.edu)
Date: Tue Apr 09 2002 - 11:41:09 EDT

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    I have for a couple of years now been lecturing (rarely as yet actually
    writing) on the ID movement in varous venues (on one occasion at Princeton
    University). I've also been invited to speak at one specific ID conference
    (as a "critic", that's the term the conference employed) and to observe at
    another. I will be involved in an ID-related function (not open to the
    public) later this year. I know personally all or almost all of the
    leadership of the ID movement, and have known some of them for many years.

    I say all that to establish some basis for my comments. I entirely agree
    that ID is a "big tent"--I've used that phrase often myself--for it includes
    YEC, OEC, at least one geniune TE (Michael Behe, whose views are pretty
    close to those of Asa Gray--but by gosh don't tell anyone that he fits this
    category), and a wide range of people theologically. The "triumverate"
    (Johnson, Dembski, and Behe) represents the three major branches of
    Christendom (which frankly I find a point in favor of ID), but beyond that
    leading advocates include a few agnostics and at least one member of the
    Unification Church, as well as lots of conservative Protestants. I also
    agree that they *typically* (not always) decline to discuss several issues
    that divided other antievolutionists in the last century: the earth's age,
    the amount of common ancestry for organisms, the intepretation of Genesis,
    etc. And I agree that they do this mainly for political reasons--they want
    a coalition large enough to impact public education, that's what they're
    really about--though my friends in the movement always tell me I'm wrong
    about this.

    As for TE, that's an even bigger tent, in some ways. Let me elaborate. On
    the one hand, TE is much smaller b/c everyone by definition more or less
    accepts evolution and what comes with it (big bang, old earth, common
    ancestry, figurative interpretation of Genesis if the Bible is considered at
    all). And everyone is some type of theist (probably, though if I think hard
    I might change my mind). On the other hand, the tent is mighty big
    theologically. There are in fact probably more varieties of TE than there
    are of ID--partly b/c ID guards its public face so well. For example, one
    could drive a pretty large truck between the views of Polkinghorne and those
    of Peacocke, as I have noted several times before. Throw in David Griffin,
    John Cobb, Sally McFague, Richard Bube, and Ken Miller (all of whom fit the
    TE label), and you have a cornucopia of theological positions. And this has
    been true since the late nineteenth century. Indeed, in my forthcoming book
    I will argue that perhaps the largest driving force behind fundamentalist
    opposition to evolution in the 1920s, was what they perceived to be (and I
    share their perception in several cases) the excesses of liberal
    interpretations of evolution. You can find almost anything you can imagine
    under that label.

    You can, for example, find Asa Gray affirming the "compatibility" (his
    word) between evolution and the Nicene Creed; or, on the other hand, Edwin
    Grant Conklin denying a personal God, immortality, and the efficacy of
    prayer, all on the basis of what he himself called (as many others did) "the
    religion of science." And yet both saw themselves as religious
    evolutionists, in some sense as Christians. And you have people who call
    eugenics the way of salvation (I kid you not). So it's a huge tent.

    Ted Davis

      

      



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