FW: Creationism in the UK (Utley v Dawkins)

From: Woodward Norm Civ WRALC/TIEDM (Norm.Woodward@robins.af.mil)
Date: Mon Apr 08 2002 - 09:48:59 EDT

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    Sorry about the delay concerning this message, but apparently there was
    something about the addresses that caused my server to gag on it a couple of
    days, before finally coughing it back up.
     
    I considered letting sleeping dogs lie, but since the “Who (sic) can you
    trust” thread began, I thought it should be pointed out that the spin
    doctoring of evolution/creation debate has probably been going on as long as
    the theories have been presented, and as in the case with C.S. Lewis, it
    often as not backfires.
     
    Unlike some who claim otherwise, I remember my evolution indoctrination, a
    la the 1961 NY State Dept of Education Syllabus, quite well, and, as Paul
    Simon wrote later:
     
    When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school
    It's a wonder I can think at all…
                            (Kodachrome, 1973 )
     
    In my case, it was the re-examining of the theory after subsequent exposure
    to university and government bureaucracies that has caused me to become
    skeptical, not my conversion to Christianity.
     
    Norm
     
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Woodward Norm Civ WRALC/TIEDM
    Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 4:06 PM
    To: Shuan Rose
    Cc: Asa
    Subject: RE: Creationism in the UK (Utley v Dawkins)
     
    I had asked recently about C.S. Lewis’s views on evolution, and was referred
    to an upcoming article that will be posted on the ASA site. Being very
    curious about the subject, I did a quick search, and what I found was rather
    interesting.
     
    It appears that in his early Christian writings, he offered opinions that
    were, and are, very supportive of theistic evolutionary thought.
     
    However, in his later years, he became rather skeptical concerning the idea,
    to the extent that he wrote the following in a 1951 letter Bernard Acworth,
    one of the founders of the Evolution Protest Movement:
     
     
    “I wish I were younger. What inclines me now to think you may be right in
    regarding it [evolution] as the central and radical lie in the whole web of
    falsehood that now governs our lives is not so much your arguments against
    it as the fanatical and twisted attitudes of its defenders.”
     
    And I tend to agree.
     
    Equating “making optional” with “banning,” and using present tense rather
    than past perfect concerning the Kansas law, demonstrates the all-too-common
    “fanatical and twisted” mix of hyperbole and hypocrisy that tends to put
    all pro-evolution proclamations under suspicion.
     
    BTW, I found the Kansas experiment rather interesting. While advocates
    claimed that biology could not possibly be presented without the framework
    of evolution, the majority of teachers were more than willing to prove them
    wrong. They simply presented the data, and let the students chose among the
    possible mechanisms behind them. Apparently, without proper indoctrination,
    intelligent design seemed to be more plausible, at least in some
    applications.
     
    But intensive organized name calling and ridicule won out, and evolution
    returned to the state syllabus, thereby safely reining in academic freedom.
     
    Later,
     
    Norm
     
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Shuan Rose [mailto:shuanr@boo.net]
    Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:55 PM
    To: Woodward Norm Civ WRALC/TIEDM
    Cc: Asa
    Subject: RE: Creationism in the UK (Utley v Dawkins)
     
    I I was thinking of Kansas , which tried but did not succceed in banning
    evolution. They merely made the teaching of it optional.Local school boards
    can decide whether to teach evolution, or the big bang . Read all about
    this at
     
    http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/03/08/creationism.vs.evolution/#r
    <http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/03/08/creationism.vs.evolution/#r>
     
     
     -----Original Message-----
    From: Woodward Norm Civ WRALC/TIEDM [mailto:Norm.Woodward@robins.af.mil]
    Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:32 PM
    To: Shuan Rose; Asa
    Subject: RE: Creationism in the UK (Utley v Dawkins)
    (author unknown)
    Mr. Colluphid ( a Secular Web moderator from England) is dismayed by the
    thought that there could possibly be in cool Britannia a secondary school
    that is deficent in the teaching of evolution. He should try living in the
    good ol' USA where one state has outright banned the teaching of evolution
    in high school and several states are considering such a ban
    Does anyone know which state the writer is referring to? I think there is
    that “teaching/indoctrinating” confusion is occurring again.
    BTW, why is it that us Fundies are always taking the heat about YEC?
    Doesn’t the Jewish calendar indicate that we are only 5762 years from t=0?
    Norm Woodward
     
     
     
     



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