What is OEC

From: Bert Massie (bert@massie-labs.com)
Date: Mon Apr 08 2002 - 00:25:37 EDT

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    There has been a lot of discussion about what is OEC. Likely as many
    variations as there are people times two.

    From my perspective, here is a general guideline:

    1. The scientific observations about the facts of the past are
    essentially correct but perhaps a bit overstated as to time accuracy.
    The universe is likely 14 B years old etc.

     2. Evolution is a theory to explain the origin and development of
    animals and is about a mechanism (survival of the fitest etc.) and not
    an observation of fact (such as deterining that a certain animal lived
    at a certain time, etc.). That the animals occurred in a sequence from
    simple to more complex is a factual observation but how this happened is
    a theory. I would like to call this the GSA for grand sequence of
    animals and NOT refer to it as evolution in any use of the term.

    3. Genesis allows for this long time frame--pick your own view of it as
    allegorical, day/age theory etc., but, Hebrew Genesis to an OEC does NOT
    require the reading of 24 hour days.

    4. There are an infinite variation of "how God did it" ideas from
    setting up the universe with the correct initial coniditions and
    watching it go to God intervening at every step to God guiding
    "evolution" to do it. But, none of these involve blind, purposeless
    mechanical mechanisms that create man from rocks and could care less
    about him.

    Bert


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    Hello Jim,

    One variation of OEC is to accept much of modern evolutionary theories but
    nevertheless, maintain that with regard to humans, an act of special
    creation was involved, thus breaking the continuity from nonhuman primates
    to hominids. Of course, where the break actually occurred is uncertain, but
    it seems necessary to hold this view in order to to account the
    "specialness" of humans in creation as a moral agent endowed with divine
    sonship. Such a postition would at least account for the data as well as
    modern evolutionary theories.

    Adrian.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jim Eisele
    To: asa@calvin.edu
    Sent: 3/24/2002 6:15 AM
    Subject: Theological Consequences of Evolution

    A very popular theological view is Old Earth Creationism (OEC).
    Evidence mounts by the moment for human evolution. OECs will
    soon have to face facts. I have talked with many OECs. Pride
    is a large factor in their position. They just don't want to
    believe that they descended from an ape.

    As if morphing up from dust was something to brag about...

    Jim



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