Re: Current Events

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. (dfsiemensjr@juno.com)
Date: Sat Mar 30 2002 - 22:56:17 EST

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    On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:04:22 -0500 "Robert Schneider"
    <rjschn39@bellsouth.net> writes:
    See below
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Howard J. Van Till
    To: D. F. Siemens, Jr.
    Cc: rjschn39@bellsouth.net ; asa@calvin.edu
    Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 4:20 PM
    Subject: Re: Current Events
    Dave wrote:

     There is a different area involving human beings which has often been
    mistaken for indeterminism, human freedom. Actually, free will or choice
    falls under a special type of determinism, self-determination, an area
    where we are, though limited, initiating causes. (Only God is an
    unlimited or unrestricted originating or initiating cause.)

    Howard wrote:

    Are we back to the question about God being, in some beneficial way,
    restricted"? I'm not convinced that all restrictions are necessarily to b
    e rejected

    Bob's comment:
    Is there a sense in which one could say that human free will is also
    "restricted"? Do not human beings voluntarily restrict their freedom out
    of the realization that self-chosen restrictions make possible the
    fullness of being human, hence are beneficial. Is there a paradox here:
    the absolute freedom of the will to choose restricted by certain free
    choices?

    Could be say, using the word that Hartshorne doesn't like, that God
    compassionately liberates the world from God's own omnipotence? (I say
    "compassionately" because, as Aquinas asserted, compassion is the
    expression of Love, which is the one thing that can be attributed to God
    univocally (on the basis of revelation): "God is Love.")

    Wish I'd have thought of the point you make about the necessary
    consistency of our choices.
    Dave



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