Whewell's impact

From: Jonathan Clarke (jdac@alphalink.com.au)
Date: Wed Jan 23 2002 - 15:21:23 EST

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    Hi Robert

    Did not Whewell also give us the term "uniformitarian" (in his criticism of
    Lyell) and also point out that all science is theory laden, even our
    observations? I think he said "We see everything through a mask of theory", a
    remarkably modern (or should I say post-modern?) comment.

    GB

    Jon

    Michael Roberts wrote:

    > Wiiliam Whewell was a leading intellectual at Cambridge in the early
    > 19century and gave us the term scientist. He also critiqued Lyell in 1830
    > and gave him the terms Eocine Miocene and Pliocene for the Tertiary. He was
    > a devout Christian of evangelical leanings and is only now getting the
    > recognition he deserves. He was at school at Lancaster Grammar School (6
    > miles from where I live) with Richard Owen of dinosaurs. The two had a fight
    > at school and one sufferd a broken nose and I hope it was Owen!!
    >
    > I am currently reading a book for a book review (this will not be the book
    > review) but it has application to the current discussion we are having about
    > why apologists seem to pick and choose what observational data they will
    > deal with and what data they refuse to accept. THIS IS A SERIOUS CHARGE The
    > book is William
    > Whewell's _Of the Plurality of Worlds_ edited by Michael Ruse, University of
    > Chicago Press 2001. The book was originally published in 1853 and this is a
    > facsimile reprinting. I need to set the intellectual landscape for this
    > argument.
    >
    > Whewell was writing about 9 years after Chambers' _Vestiges_ which was the
    > first book to really bring evolution into the intellectual landscape (it was
    > very poorly done so he won few converts). The issue which occupied Whewell's
    > attention was the problem that astronomy was presenting to Christians at
    > this time by showing that there were so many worlds. The atheistic argument
    > WHO PUT FORWARD THIS ATHEISTIC ARGUMENT? CHAMBERS WAS NO ATHEIST BUT A WOOLY
    > LIBERAL ANGLICAN OF DEISTIC TENDENCIES. HE MOST CLEARLY BELIEVED IN SOME
    > DIVINE POWER
    > of the day pointed out that there were lots of stars each of them should
    > have planets around them, many of those planets filled with intelligent
    > life.
    >
    > Whewell in 1833 had agreed that life on other planets was
    > probable, but after the Vestiges was published, it became perfectly clear
    > that life on these other planets might be evolved and Whewell changed his
    > position because he could not reconcile evolution with Christian faith.
    > Furthermore, the atheistic argument WHO BY? pointed out that each of those
    > planets
    > with intelligent life would need their own savior and therefore God would
    > not see the earth as a special abode or be 'mindful of man'. Why would a God
    > of a universe full of intelligent life pay any special heed to a small blue
    > planet circling an otherwise unremarkable star? Whewell chose to take on
    > this argument in a very fascinating book. While Whewell seems to be correct
    > that life is rare in the universe, his approach to it was unfortunately
    > typical of the way apologetical institutions seem to deal with problematical
    > issues. Looking back on his argument gives us perspective on this approach
    > and lets us see clearly what RTB and other apologists are doing with
    > anthropological and evolutionary data clearer. I THINK HERE YOU FAIL
    > COMPLETELY TO JUDGE WHEWELL BY THE TERMS OF 1850, IF SO YOU WOULD LIKEN HIM
    > TO POLKINGHORNE AT NOT RTB
    >
    > Whewell then attacks the concept of life on planets around the nebula (what
    > we call galaxies) by denying that they are really galaxies or separate star
    > systems. He did discuss some very good evidence indicating the modern view
    > was correct. however, he chose to reject that data. Instead of the points of
    > light telescopes reveal in the galaxies being stars, Whewell claims that
    > they are comets around a much smaller object.WHAT WAS THE VIEW OF
    > CONTEMPRARY ASTRONOMERS? GEORGE MURPHY HAS ANSWERED THIS
    >
    > "And if we suppose a large mass of cometic matter thus to move in a highly
    > resisting medium, and to consist of patches of different densities, then
    > some would move faster and some more slowly; but all, in spirals such as
    > have been spoken of; and the general aspect produced would be, that of the
    > spiral nebulae which I have endeavoured to describe. The luminous matter
    > owuld be more diffused in the outer and more condensed in the central parts,
    > because to the center of attraction all the spirals converge." William
    > Whewell, Of the Plurality of World's, edited by Michael Ruse, (Chicago:
    > University of Chicago Press, 2001), p. 128
    >
    > And, thus, since we know that life can't exist on a comet, we don't need to
    > worry about life in the nebula!
    >
    > Today, there is hardly a Christian who denies that galaxies are actually
    > star systems, but Whewell denied this IN SPITE OF MUCH EVIDENCE THAT THIS
    > WAS THE CASE. He didn't believe the sense data! I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE
    > COMPETENT ON THE HISTORY OF ASTRONOMY TO COMMENT ON THIS BUT THIS STRIKES ME
    > AS AN INACCURATE CRITICISM OF WHEWELLHe hypothesized some
    > improbable situation in order to avoid the impact of astronomical data. He
    > let his theology drive him to doubt the obvious. ABSOLUTE NONSENSE, YOU NEED
    > TO UNDERSTAND WHEWELL AND CONSIDER HIS WIDE EXPERTISE. THERE IS NO WAY HE
    > WOULD HAVE MADE SUCH A GLARING BLUNDER. IF HE WAS WRONG ABOUT GALAXIES THEN
    > SO WERE MANY OTHERS.This approach is much like
    > the anti-evolutionist who denies transitional forms are transitional forms
    > because his theology drives him to that position. If one wants to reject
    > evolution, one certaintly can't accept transitional forms. (see
    > http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/transit.htm
    > http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/cambevol.htm). When we deny sense
    > data, like Whewell did, we look very silly to future generations of
    > Christians. AND WHEN WE MAKE DUBIOUS COMMENTS LIKE THIS.
    >
    > "Intelligence, as we see in the human race, in order to have those
    > characters which concern our argument, implies a history of intellectual
    > development: and to assume arbitrarily a history of intellectual development
    > for the inhabitants of a remote planet, as a ground of reasoning, either for
    > or against Religion, is a proceeding which we can hardly be expected either
    > to assent to or to refute." William Whewell, Of the Plurality of World's,
    > edited by Michael Ruse, (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2001), p. 47
    >
    > What astounds me in this is that Whewell laid out a perfectly logical and
    > convincing (to me) case that intelligence must act universally like ours
    > does, and then he rejects this consequence when it goes against his
    > preferred point. YOU HAVE NOT MADE YOUR POINT
    >
    > And this is what concerns me most about Christianity's apologetical
    > efforts.
    > We seem to be hidebound to deny observational data while inconsistently
    > expecting everyone to accept the observational data for the resurrection.
    > The Bible warns us not to be double minded.
    >
    > I WOULD SUGGEST YOU FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHEWELL AND MID 19 CENTURY VIEWS OF
    > GALAXIES BEFORE CONTINUING WITH YOUR REVIEW.
    >
    > ALSO DONT JUDGE HISTORICAL CHARACTERS BY OUR OWN IDEAS
    >
    > MICHAEL



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