Re: Miracles and Science

From: Jonathan Clarke (jdac@alphalink.com.au)
Date: Mon Feb 12 2001 - 23:23:03 EST

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    Hi Gordon

    Do you have specific information on the computer simulation by the "two Israelis"?

    respectfully

    Jon

    gordon brown wrote:

    > Iain,
    >
    > Exodus 14:21 clearly indicates that the Lord used wind to divide the
    > waters of the Red Sea, and so the timing was what I would consider to be
    > miraculous. A few years ago two Israelis did a computer simulation to see
    > what a sustained very strong wind would do at the presumed site of the
    > crossing and concluded that it would do what Exodus said it did. I don't
    > believe that God's involvement in an extremely unusual meteorological
    > phenomenon has to be any different from his involvement in what we would
    > consider to be normal weather.
    >
    > I once visited the Neusiedlersee (if I correctly remember the name), a
    > lake on the border between Austria and Hungary. Although this lake has a
    > large area, it is only 1.8 meters (about 6 ft.) deep at its deepest point.
    > The residents of that area say that when there is a very strong wind in
    > the right direction, all the water is blown to the Hungarian end of the
    > lake. There have been occasions when people wandered out onto the dry part
    > of the lake bed and were drowned when the water suddenly returned. The
    > resemblance of this phenomenon to that of the Red Sea crossing supports
    > the idea that it was the timing that should be regarded as the most
    > remarkable aspect.
    >
    > Gordon Brown
    > Department of Mathematics
    > University of Colorado
    > Boulder, CO 80309-0395
    >
    > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Iain Strachan wrote:
    >
    > > I'm kind of inclined to think that the two are really no different. Take
    > > the parting of the Red Sea example. Actually I find it a little bit hard to
    > > believe that meteorological conditions could naturally cause the sea to
    > > part, but suppose that was possible without "miracles". We still have to
    > > understand how God caused the "coincidence" to happen. It is often said of
    > > chaos theory (I believe?) that the flapping of a butterfly's wings can cause
    > > a tornado the other side of the world three weeks later. So it's possible
    > > that the small, subtle change of an event might cause such a thing to
    > > happen. And clearly the calculation of the consequences would be easy for
    > > an omnipotent creator. But when it comes down to it, there is still a
    > > violation of the natural order, where God "intervenes" and causes the
    > > butterfly, or whatever, to flap its wings in just the right direction to
    > > cause the wind that parted the sea. Thus, information is planted in from
    > > outside that makes the course of history change. The information is
    > > ultimately the firing of electrical pulses in a set of neurons, and
    > > therefore is still "miraculous"; God had to change the electrical signals
    > > from what they were going to be; and conceptually I can't really see the
    > > difference between that, and a miraculous parting of the sea by unnatural
    > > causes (except in scale).
    > >
    > > Hope that makes some sense!
    > > Iain.
    > >
    > >



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