Re: TE-man

From: George Andrews Jr. (gandrews@as.wm.edu)
Date: Thu Oct 19 2000 - 13:41:57 EDT

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    Hi Allen;

    Allen Roy wrote: (in very small font! :-) )

    > When we talk about the soul and what it is, we have to go back in time
    > before science. We may try to find a scientific definition of a soul,
    > but I don't believe that that is what we were talking about here.
    > Since I believe that most everyone on this net are Christian, then we
    > would look to the Bible for what God has inspired his prophets to
    > define what a soul is. That is where the 4 points of definition which
    > I gave before came from.

    I, for one, would like to understand what the biblical authors are
    talking about in light of modern understandings; i.e. philosophically,
    theologically, and historical as well as scientifically. I don't see
    this as non-christian. Your suggestion to limit the discussion of a soul
    to "before science" does just that, i.e. it is a - historically and
    textually relevant - but antiquated discourse. The ancients had no clue
    about the modern scientific world view in which we find ourselves to be
    living souls. ;-)

    I agree, however, that, as christians, it is important to understand
    what the biblical authors had in mind. To this latter end, George M.'s
    response in this thread is - as always - very pertinent and
    informative.

    A naive resort to inspiration is fraught with difficulty, for what is
    and isn't inspired in the Biblical text is not always clear as history
    bears witness to - especially when one acknowledges the presence of
    errors in the text.

    >
    >
    > A soul = living person (by interpretative comparison
    > between KJV and NIV of Gen. 2:7) A soul [living person] =
    > body + breath of life. This equation is derived from Gen
    > 2:7 A soul [living person] /= (not equal) body - breath of
    > life /= body [not living person] (this is a dead body)
    > This is a logical deduction from Gen 2:7 A soul [living
    > person] /= breath of life - body /= breath of life [life
    > force] (a soul is not spirit [the life force] A soul may
    > have spirit but not be spirit.) This is a logical deduction
    > from Gen 2:7
    >
    > When we start using science we, as Christians, will use science within
    > the above definition of the soul. You have to first define what you
    > mean by a soul before you can attempt to use science to study the
    > soul. The same thing applies to "body," "breath of life" and "living
    > person." Science is not the end all in determining truth. We have to
    > first make philosophical assumptions and definitions and then we can
    > do science.
    >

    Could you explain how science is to be used within your definition of
    the soul? Perhaps, what George M. said is what you had in mind but, as I
    want to maintain, we have a great amount of "information" about the
    human condition that is relevant to christian dogma and doctrine. While
    I fully agree that science is not the end all, I also maintain that the
    Bible is not the final word on many and sundry issues- but it does
    reveal the first Word. (forgive my play on words :-) oops )

    But I do want to defend the scientific approach taken in its most
    general form which includes the philosophical and theological sciences;
    for, the results of this approach are really all we have to determine
    observed reality - in a critical realist sense of course. The only
    alternative is magic.

    Sincerely
    George A.

    --
    George A. Andrews Jr.
    Physics/Applied Science
    College of William & Mary
    P.O. Box 8795
    Williamsburg, VA 23187-8795
    



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