Re: Omphalos

From: george murphy (gmurphy@raex.com)
Date: Fri Oct 06 2000 - 14:52:07 EDT

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    SteamDoc@aol.com wrote:

    > In a message dated Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:30:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bryan Cross <crossbr@SLU.EDU> writes:
    >
    > << Burgy,
    >
    > it presents a completely tight case for the>
    > >YEC position, one that CANNOT be refuted.
    > >
    > >(No -- I am not a YEC myself).
    >
    > If it cannot be refuted, then why are you not a YEC?
    > Either you don't care about truth, or you think it
    > can (in some sense) be refuted.
    >
    > - Bryan
    > >>
    >
    > It can't be refuted in the sense nobody can "refute" the idea that God created everything last Tuesday and implanted all our memories.
    >
    > As Gordon Brown pointed out, it can be refuted if you make some assumptions about God not being a deceiver.

            It is perhaps worth noting that the Omphalos-type claims have been discussed as a purely philosophical problem, "Russell's
    hypothesis" without any explicit reference to theology. One treatment is Malcolm Acock's "The Age of the Universe", _Philosophy of
    Science_ 50, 1983, pp.130-145. He concludes that the proposed attempts by philosophers to to dispose of the idea are unsatisfactory.
            Gordon is right that theological considerations introduce something new and provide a basis for rejecting such thoroughgoing
    apparent age ideas. I would add that the dodge which is sometimes attempted of making apparent age a consequence of the fall also
    encounters serious theological problems. It amounts to the Manichaean idea of an evil creator of the world which we experience.
                                                                                            Shalom,
                                                                                            George



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