Re: Johnson and intelligent design

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Date: Mon Jul 03 2000 - 19:29:06 EDT

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    In a message dated 7/3/00 2:08:28 PM Mountain Daylight Time, crossbr@SLU.EDU
    writes:

    > Apparently you think that methodological naturalism is compatible with the
    > doctrine
    > of divine providence. Well, lets spell it out. The methodological
    naturalist
    > *always* seeks for, insists upon and presumes the existence of (even
    without
    > any
    > supporting evidence) a natural cause. The methodological naturalist does
    not
    > make
    > exceptions, for then he (or she) is not a methodological naturalist.
    > Therefore,
    > there is no room for divine causation of any sort, not even providential.
    > Creation,
    > revelation, etc., the methodological naturalist will pursue natural causes
    > for them
    > all. The result is that God and providence are eventually shaved right out
    > of the
    > picture, or, more accurately, natural causes are posited to explain why we
    > ever believed in them in the first place. This sort of naturalistic
    > deconstruction has already been done with ethics, free will, afterlife,
    > religion, consciousness, altruism, etc. Methodological naturalism is
    > a universal acid; you can't contain it behind barriers of any sort.
    > Once you let it in, it eats up everything.

    Three quick points:

    1) Methodological naturalism seeks natural causes (for physical phenomena),
    but it does not insist that such causes always be there. A methodological
    naturalist can accept Jesus walking on water, for example, without insistence
    that there must be some "natural" explanation. The methodological naturalist
    would just insist that such an event could not be considered a part of
    science, since science is concerned with the study of natural phenomena. It
    is only the metaphysical naturalist who asserts that science exhausts all
    knowledge.

    2) Your statement that finding natural causes for things shaves God and
    providence out of the picture strikes me as an example of the sort of "God of
    the Gaps" negation of providence we have been talking about with respect to
    Phil Johnson. Has finding the natural causes of mountain formation "shaved
    out" God from being the Creator of mountains? If some people, encouraged by
    metaphysical naturalists like Dawkins, come to such conclusions, our response
    should be to oppose the unjustified metaphysical extrapolation of the
    scientific results. Johnson (and perhaps you, judging by the above quote),
    if he were consistent, would have us oppose plate tectonics as a corrosive
    attempt to squeeze theism out of society.

    3) I could be more sympathetic to "theistic science" that did not use MN if
    its practitioners affirmed that it is OK for God to create by "natural"
    processes (providentially) and disavowed gap-based apologetics. The real
    harm comes not in the search for scientifically detectable fingerprints of
    God, but in the propagation and encouragement of the theological abomination
    (shared by Dawkins and too many in the Church) that the truth of theism
    depends on the existence of such fingerprints.
    Once you let God-of-the-Gaps theology in, it eats up everything :-)

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