Re: What's the answer to this anti-geology?

mortongr@flash.net
Tue, 12 Oct 1999 06:19:34 +0000

At 11:20 PM 10/11/1999 EDT, PHSEELY@aol.com wrote:
>Here is a bit from another list. How would you answer the response I got?
>The responder is not technically a YEC, but has been influenced by Michael
>Denton. Guy Berthault is supposed to have dumped sediment into a tank of
>water and thereby showed that the sedimentary layers which we see in
>mountains can form without the top layers being more ancient than the
bottom.
> Anyone ever heard of this guy''s experiment?

Guy Berthault uses Walther's law which basically says that a prograding
sedimentary package can deposit multiple facies at the same time. This has
been known since the 15-1600s. Near shore a river will deposit gravels,
further out, sand, further out still shale. The age of the ocean bottome
sediments at any time are the same so the age doesn't match the
stratigraphy. But, this law can only be applied in situations like this,
not to the whole geologic column as Berthault wants to claim.

>
><<Paul sez:
>
><< The fact remains that simple marine life is at the bottom of the column,
>and
>that this progresses up through amphibians, reptiles, then birds, then
>mammals, then man. The question is, What accounts for this arrangement if
>not evolution? >>
>
>Well, my problem with this is that we still have such a range of species
>living on earth, and apparently they are not considered ancestors of each
>other. The so-called 'precambrian explosion' suggests that the earliest
>marine life was shockingly diverse, more so than what we see today, and yet
>with all these new early marine finds, we just see more and more phyla, and
>not the precursors of later species, which is what we must find if any
>progression is to show evolution.
>
>I did see something of Guy Berthault's experiments on a video. He presented
>his material to a French group of some kind and got rave reviews since
>apparently no one thought to do this before.

Bull, I have seen that video and there is no one to 'rave' about it on
tape. Berthault simply isn't acknowledging to his YEC viewers that Walthers
law has been known for a long, long time. See page 64 Evolution of the
Earth by Dott and Batten, for a full explanation.

What I got from it is that
>stratification actually happens left-to-right, and not up-and-down. Which is
>exactly what you wouldn't expect. I suppose at the next meeting I can
>describe this with physical gestures if that would help!>>

your friend is missing the fact that the experiment deposits about 3
different layers at a time, then three on top of that, then another three
on top of that. That is stratigraphy happening veritcally--up and down.
glenn

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