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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:20:02 -0700
From: "John M. Lynch" <jmlynch@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Neanderthal hybrid is real
> Trinkaus et al are reporting that this child INDEED HAD SOME OF THE
> CHARACTERISTICALLY NEANDERTHAL MUSCLE ATTACHMENTS!!!!!!
>
> This child is a hybrid. If Neanderthal could breed with us, then he WAS
> us!
While I generally agree with Glenn regarding the fossil record, readers have
to be very careful examining the evidence for hybridization as presented in
the PNAS paper.
As Tattersall and Schwartz note in a commentary in the same issue of PNAS (p
7117 - 7119) , many of the features that Duarte et al advocate as indicating
hybridism are in fact highly variable in H. sapiens and in H.
neanderthalensis - "there is nothing about the craniodental elements thus
far know and described that would be unusual for a Homo sapiens at this
young developmental age." As they note, this is a "brave and imaginative
interpretation of which it is unlikely that a majority of
paleoanthropologists will consider proven."
Sample sizes of one can tell us very little, particularly if the authors
want to extrapolate the results to indicate that hybridization had been
ongoing for serveral millennia (which they are forced to do, as they were
not able to argue that the specimen was a 50:50 [F1] hybrid). Until further
putative hybrids are found, it is best not to beleive that hybridization is
proven in any way.
Let's wait and see what happens ...
- -jml
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:06:58 +0100
From: Vernon Jenkins <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Fish to Amphibian
Gordon,
I only evidence that the flood referred to in Ps.29:10 is the same as -
or is of the same order as - the Noahic Flood is the use of the Hebrew
word 'mabbul'. Its 12 other appearances occur in Genesis where it is
used specifically to designate this event. The context of the Psalm
appears to offer no direct help.
Regards,
Vernon
gordon brown wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Vernon Jenkins wrote:
>
> > It was a large vessel, commissioned by God, and robust enough to meet
> > the demands of the 'mabbul' (It is interesting that though there are
> > several Hebrew words meaning 'flood', this one is reserved for this
> > particular event - described in the Greek as 'kataklusmos'). I think
> > 'ocean-going' is implied.
>
> Vernon,
>
> Why do you believe that in Psalm 29:10 mabbul refers to the Flood of
> Noah's time? What in the context demands this? Isn't this psalm about the
> power of God displayed in a heavy thunderstorm as it moves from the sea
> across the mountains and out over the desert?
>
> Gordon Brown
> Department of Mathematics
> University of Colorado
> Boulder, CO 80309-0395
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