Re: [asa] Re: On the Barr-West exchange and ID/TE

Interesting. But regardless I don't see that it matters since it appears the upper echelons of ID today, i.e. Behe, Dembski are both OEC's.

Plus we now know that the YEC's have voluntarily distanced themselves from YEC because they don't like where it leads. Can't let that science foot in the door you know.

John

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From: gordon brown <Gordon.Brown@Colorado.EDU>
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Subject: Re: [asa] Re: On the Barr-West exchange and ID/TE

John,

I don't recall whether Nelson posted directly to this list or whether
someone forwarded the post for him. I am almost positive that Phil Johnson
was NOT one of those he mentioned. I think Reynolds was.

Gordon Brown (ASA member)

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, John Walley wrote:

> I suspect he is referring to Phil Johnson as one of the others. I am not sure who the third would be though.
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> But then again, several years ago "the upper echelons" of ID would haev been different than today. Today I don't think anyone would consider Nelson or Johnson in the upper echelons of ID, at least not the public face of it.
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> John
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> From: gordon brown <Gordon.Brown@Colorado.EDU>
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> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, Ted Davis wrote:
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>> And, my claim is that if you subtract those ID advocates who deny EITHER an "old" earth & universe OR common descent, then the tent would shrink drastically.  I was not saying that most ID advocates are YECs.  That would be highly inaccurate; nearly all ID leaders are not YECs.  Most ID advocates are OECs, at least at the leadership level; at the popular level it might be less true (I suspect that a higher percentage of popular supporters are YECs than the leadership would be).
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> Several years ago Paul Nelson posted to this list a message that said that he was one of only three YECs in the upper echelons of the ID movement. I don't recall exactly the extent of the group from which these three came.
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> Gordon Brown (ASA member)
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