Re: [asa] Dawkins new book - objective

Actually "grounded in reason" is a vacuous concept. Fundamental
principles - in any field - cannot be determined by reason unless one
appeals to other principles, which are then the fundamental ones. You have
to start somewhere. Once the decision is made to start with certain basic
assumptions then you should proceed in a rational way to determine the
consequences & implications of those basic assumptions - i.e., you should
use reason. But reason itself cannot determine what those basics should be.
Conversely, a person who claims that basic beliefs of an opponent are
"unreasonable" or "irrational" really means that they're in conflict with
the claimant's basic beliefs.

Shalom
George
http://home.roadrunner.com/~scitheologyglm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dehler, Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
To: "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: [asa] Dawkins new book - objective

> "It just seems so worthless to say that morals are grounded in reason,
> then when atheists get together they can't agree on what the correct moral
> position is."
>
> That is because people reason differently, so why shouldn't it be
> expected???
>
> ...Bernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of Murray Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:21 AM
> To: ASA
> Subject: Re: [asa] Dawkins new book - objective
>
> Dehler, Bernie wrote:
>> It just seems so worthless to say that morals are grounded in God, then
>> when Godly people get together they can't agree on what the correct moral
>> position is. Euthanasia was the last specific issue I talked to George
>> about.
>>
>> ,,,Bernie
>
> To which the obvious response...
>
> It just seems so worthless to say that morals are grounded in reason, then
> when atheists get together they can't agree on what the correct moral
> position is.
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