RE: [asa] (Hitler) morals/ethics

"In 1931 Hitler discussed with Richard Breiting the need for massive resettlements (deportations). He said "We intend to introduce a resettlement policy. Think of the biblical deportations and the massacres of the Middle Ages...and remember the extermination of the Armenians. One eventually reaches the conclusion that the masses of man are mere biological plasticine."

Again in 1939 Adolf Hitler, on his way toward the "final solution" for the Jewish people, made this statement of his plans in Poland:

I have placed my death-head formations in readiness - for the present only in the East - with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion , men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians? (italics added)

Source: http://www.historywiz.com/annihilation.htm

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Dehler, Bernie [bernie.dehler@intel.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:42 AM
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Subject: RE: [asa] (Hitler) morals/ethics

"Thousands of years of repeated 'blunders' and we still have not learned"

If we hadn't learned, we would have already killed the planet with nukes, long ago (in the cold war).

...Bernie

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of IW
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Dehler, Bernie wrote:
> I got my info about Alexander the Great (compared to Hitler) from this podcast:
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> http://www.learnoutloud.com/Catalog/History/World-History/Dan-Carlins-Hardcore-History-Podcast/22815#plink
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> I can't confirm or deny it. But I would defend the idea that culture has evolved to a better place than ever.

It never ceases to amaze me how the majority of adherents to this type
of view live in the wealthy, reasonably stable and secure Western
nations. It is perhaps quite telling that people who live in the
developing world tend to have a less positive view.

 We are seeing movement towards that with the EC and other joint groups.
 Obama is also making movement towards working with other national
leaders as peers, unlike Bush.
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> All the major blunders in history (Crusades, Stalin, Hitler, etc.) were probably necessary in order to learn from them (evolution of cultural/religious memes).

Blunders implies people making mistakes. Mistakes in turn implies you
wanted to do X but undesirable Y resulted. Given that (your examples
above) were people attempting X on purpose I do not think they qualify
as "blunders". I might add the old adage "people never learn from
history" is not only (IMNSHO) true but challenges the idea that such
events were necessary.

>Since the Holocaust, we say "never again." But it does still happen (on smaller scales).

Humans committing violence towards humans has been with us since we
became human until now. I do not see anything in the world today to
suggest things are changing.

> Example: Rwanda. We haven't learned 100% yet. It is just like a child falling off a bike in order to learn how to ride one. You have to fall in order to learn.

Thousands of years of repeated 'blunders' and we still have not learned....

IW
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