Re: [asa] World sets ocean temperature record

On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:14 AM, John Burgeson (ASA member) wrote:

> Caneron, with all due respect, some of the data you refer to in your
> post is simply not correct.
>
> A few months ago I wrote a short article for the Rico Bugle in which I
> tried very hard to summarize the issue of AGW. This article can be
> accessed at www.burgy.50megs.com/climate.htm
>
> Below I comment on some of your post:
>
> Burgy
>
>
> On 8/22/09, Cameron Wybrow <wybrowc@sympatico.ca> wrote:>
>
>> Over at Uncommon Descent, on the other hand, there is a tendency of
>> ID
>> people to dispute many of the scientific arguments in favour of AGW
>> (especially since the temperatures have flatlined and the Arctic
>> ice has
>> almost recovered),
>
> Comment: See the discussions of this on RealClimate.org. Both pole ice
> and Greenland ice are a factor and all are shrinking.
>
> BTW, RealCimate is run by persons such as Gavin Schmidt who are real
> climate scientists. If one posts data there that is clearly in error,
> things can get a little rough.
>
This again shows how the political blinders at UD produces "pants on
fire" facts. Here's the temperature trend through July 2007. For
reference the values for July 2008 is .51 and July 2009 is .56. Both
of which are above the 0.16 degrees C/decade trendline. So much for
temperatures flattening out. July is a good month to look at because
the El Nino Southern Oscillation has less effect on global
temperatures as months like January. This allows you to see the AGW
signal more clearly.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/gcag/GCAGdealtem?mon1=7&monb1=7&mone1=7&bye1=1980&eye1=2007&graph=Lineplot&klu=1&dat=BLEND&mon2=00&bye2=00&eye2=00&mon3=00&ye=00&param=Temperature&proce=80&puzo=0&ts=6&non=1&begX=0&begY=0&endX=71&endY=35&sbeX=0&sbeY=0&senX=71&senY=35

Arctic ice hasn't recovered either:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/get-file.php?report=global&file=nh-seaice&year=2009&month=7&ext=gif
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_daily_extent_hires.png

Rich Blinne
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Received on Sat Aug 22 13:45:52 2009