RE: [asa] Miller and Myers on Harris

Funny little battle- I wonder if Harris would object to an appointment of someone like Kenneth Miller? Miller is outspoken for faith, but sides with the atheists against ID.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend..."

Also curious- how Eugenie Scott weighs in... I haven't heard yet...

By the way, of all new atheists, Harris is my favorite... the one I'd most want to 'share a beer with."

...Bernie

________________________________
From: Nucacids [mailto:nucacids@wowway.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:28 AM
To: Dehler, Bernie; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Miller and Myers on Harris

He would say no. The type of Christian he could support is one who keeps quiet about his faith (although Harris would not state it so bluntly).
Remember, this is all politics. As such, Collins represents an existential threat to the NA movement by simply being both an outspoken Christian and a leading scientist. While many on this list enjoy scientific, theological, or philosophical arguments, for most people out in the real world, the mere fact that a leading scientist can be such an outspoken Christian is sufficient to completely discount the NA message. Only by getting people like Collins to keep his faith in the closet can the NAs more effectively equate science with atheism and pseudoscience with religion.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Dehler, Bernie<mailto:bernie.dehler@intel.com>
To: asa@calvin.edu<mailto:asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: [asa] Miller and Myers on Harris

I would like to ask Sam Harris:
"Do you think a prerequisite for the job is that one must be an atheist?"

I would truly like to know his answer. And if he says 'no' then I'd ask what kind of Christian could he support, if not Collins?

...Bernie
________________________________
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu<mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Nucacids
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:53 AM
To: asa@calvin.edu; cmekve@aol.com
Subject: Re: [asa] Miller and Myers on Harris

Cue response from the other Myers (PZ) in 5...4...3..

Seriously, it's good to see people come to the defense of Collins. Harris's piece was purely political and an attempt to advance his Cause. Of course, since it's a NYT piece, Harris held back his more vitriolic opinions about Collins and instead played the role of concern troll. Nevertheless, Collins is the big fish here and he should ignore these NA attacks, which are nothing more than attention-seeking tactics.

-Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: cmekve@aol.com<mailto:cmekve@aol.com>
To: asa@calvin.edu<mailto:asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: [asa] Miller and Myers on Harris

Todays New York Times has a number of letters regarding Sam Harris's op-ed piece on Francis Collins. Two letters very supportive of Collins are from Ken Miller and David Myers (psychology prof at Hope College and I believe an ASA member). See http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/opinion/l29collins.html?_r=1&hpw

Karl (asa member)
***********************
Karl V. Evans
cmekve@aol.com<mailto:cmekve@aol.com>

________________________________
Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School<http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223106546x1201717234/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D8>
________________________________

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.35/2269 - Release Date: 07/28/09 17:58:00
________________________________

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.35/2269 - Release Date: 07/28/09 17:58:00

To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@calvin.edu with
"unsubscribe asa" (no quotes) as the body of the message.
Received on Wed Jul 29 11:56:01 2009