Re: [asa] Because of us

Good story about your mom. As one descended from Vikings, that might
be the more scary.

"Jesus showed us God can be both transcendant *and* physical.
Deistic Christians want to say God cannot be physical because God is
100% supernatural. I don't believe this."

Me neither.

jb

On 4/29/09, David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [asa] Because of us
> To: "John Burgeson (ASA member)" <hossradbourne@gmail.com>
>
>
> John,
>
> And what about my relatives who have been cremated? My "mom-in-a-box" who
> now resides in my basement?
>
> BTW, John, since we are kidding around, let me mention while my branch of
> the family is white we have black cousins, at least in name, but the white
> side of the family is in general very very racist. So when looking for
> where to bury mom I had thought maybe of putting her in the family plot of
> my black cousins? So she went to sleep in California but at the
> resurrection she would pop out of the ground surrounded by YIPES! Black
> Kansans! Wouldn't that freak her out? hahahahahaha. First thing she'd say
> is "where the hell am I?" Yeah, it would be my ultimate revenge upon
> her. Well, it could be worse, the other choice is she pops up with a bunch
> of Vikings! :)
>
> But what I was trying to get at is "Providence". Resurrection is part of
> Providence. Millions of Christians believe Jesus Christ will physically
> return and the dead will be raised. Deistic-Christians probably don't
> believe this. I don't know what they believe other than some gnostic sort
> of "we all become ghosts and float to heaven". Whatever heaven is. I really
> cant say what they believe except probably that the universe just proceeds
> on for billions of years like it always did. I'd be interested in hearing
> what they think their personal fate is in that type of universe.
> Plus what is the fate of Jesus Christ Himself in that type of universe?
>
> Did I mention the other part of the Providential Second Advent, where Jesus
> rules the earth, overthrowing the human governments?
>
> Deistic Christianity (I am just guessing) probably rejects this, among
> various other acts of Providence.
>
> I myself reject deistic christianity. Its a different religion than I
> believe in.
>
> I don't want to say I don't think God is supernatural. BUT, I believe God is
> Spirit, and I see no reason that spirit cannot push particles around and
> manipulate the electromagnetic force. And I don't see this action as
> violating George Murphy's MN any more than the actions of any human would
> do so. How does a human do anything? By electromagnetic forces, of course.
>
> So the whole conversation about actions of God don't take place because
> they are by definition "supernatural" is way off base (to me). Its based on
> a certain set of religious ideas to which I don't subscribe.
>
> Jesus showed us God can be both transcendant *and* physical. Deistic
> Christians want to say God cannot be physical because God is 100%
> supernatural. I don't believe this.
>
> Best Regards,
> David Clounch
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:43 PM, John Burgeson (ASA member) <
> hossradbourne@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/09, David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Gentlemen,
>> >
>> > Along with this stoppage there will be a physical resurrection (of a lot
>> of
>> > dead people). In a way it could be said to be the ultimate ID-type
>> event.
>> > One moment there will be a pile of chemical sludge in each grave. The
>> > result of rotting. The next moment there will be one trillion working
>> > cells.
>>
>> Wow. Of course, if Julius Caesar is one of these, there would be a lot
>> more than 1 trillion cells to his new body.
>>
>> Better get out the shovels for a lot of grave digging unless these new
>> bodies have the strength to break out on their own!
>>
>> What about a member of the Donner party who ate his companion? Who
>> gets the residue?
>>
>> jb
>>
>
>
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