Re: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design (Behe vs. Behe)

But "purely Darwinian means" are no longer relevant in biology, unless
one desires to be anachronistic. Darwin, for example, had no
understanding of genetics, and even the rediscovery of Mendel's work is
now vastly superceded. I have read numerous references to irreducible
complexity, but they seem to represent /ipse dixit/, with various
experiments indicating that the complexity can be produced by natural
processes. Indeed, from what I've encountered, "irreducible complexity"
seems closely equivalent to "God of the gaps."
Dave (ASA)

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:24:04 -0400 "Cameron Wybrow"
<wybrowc@sympatico.ca> writes:
> Uhhh, Bernie ...
>
> This is not an accurate representation of Behe's thought.
>
> Let me modify your words to make them correct:
>
> > Behe 1: "I have no problem with biological evolution of humans
> from
> > apelike creatures, *or with biological evolution generally*."
> >
> > Behe 2: "Evolution *by purely Darwinian means* is impossible
> because of
> > irreducible complexity."
>
> Note that Behe 1 is entirely compatible with Behe 2.
>
> If I may add a general remark, addressed not just to Bernie but to
> everyone
> here: why are ID proponents' arguments so often misrepresented and
>
> mischaracterized here? A couple of months ago someone
> mischaracterized
> Behe, and Ted Davis had to jump in to correct the person, with an
> exact
> quotation from Behe. And over the last several months I've noticed
> several
> remarks which suggest to me that some people here are not reading
> the actual
> works of Behe, Dembski, and other ID theorists, but are criticizing
> them
> based on hearsay. I find this disturbing, especially since a number
> of
> people here have Ph.D.s. Is it not part of doctoral-level training
> to
> acquire the habit of reading sources carefully before one criticizes
> them?
>
> Cameron.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dehler, Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
> Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design (Behe vs. Behe)
>
>
> > Hi Ted-
> >
> > Gregory is pointing out the confusion in ID circles. Did
> evolution happen
> > or not? I suppose Behe could host a debate featuring two
> opponents:
> > himself vs. himself.
> >
> > Behe 1: "I have no problem with biological evolution of humans
> from
> > apelike creatures."
> >
> > Behe 2: "Evolution is impossible because of irreducible
> complexity."
> >
> > ...Bernie
>
>
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