Re: [asa] God disproven by science?

George,
Thanks for the correction of the nationality.

As to your answer, there is one problem springing from the ambiguity of
"or". Is it inclusive disjunction or exclusive disjunction? This relates
to a second problem: is the conjunction of the two terms exhaustive? They
do seem to be exclusive in common usage.
Dave (ASA)

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:48:11 -0400 "George Murphy" <GMURPHY10@neo.rr.com>
writes:
> Perhaps the answer to "Was the arrival of the translator a miracle or
> a
> coincidence?" is "Yes."
>
> (BTW, as I remember it was a Turk rather than an Iranian.)
>
> Shalom
> George
> http://home.roadrunner.com/~scitheologyglm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. F. Siemens, Jr." <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
> To: <wjp@swcp.com>
> Cc: <bernie.dehler@intel.com>; <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [asa] God disproven by science?
>
>
> > May I suggest that there is a further problem. Glenn Morton
> reported that
> > he was in an airport and found himself trying to witness to an
> Iranian,
> > if I recall correctly. It was certainly one who did not
> understand
> > English well. Just then a bilingual man came along, making
> communication
> > straightforward. Was the arrival of the translator a miracle or a
> > coincidence? Can anyone give an unambiguous answer?
> > Dave (ASA)
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:12:15 -0600 (MDT) Bill Powers
> <wjp@swcp.com>
> > writes:
> >> Bernie:
> >>
> >> Let me reply to one comment you make.
> >> >
> >> > Apparently, we don't see so many miracles in the USA because
> of
> >> our lack of
> >> faith. If this is all true, and there were more miracles, that
> >> could be
> >> scientifically studied. Thoughts on that? Is this a crazy
> >> theological claim:
> >> "Less developed countries see more miracles because of their
> >> greater faith." ?
> >>
> >> It seems to me that, as you say, if the statement is true, it
> could
> >> be
> >> studied empirically. Probably most of us are skeptical of the
> >> claim.
> >> But, then again, I'm not so certain that all miracles are so
> >> obvious. I'm
> >> dubious of the effort.
> >>
> >> What has concerned me for some time is we in this age of science
> >> have
> >> pushed God far into the background. Indeed, as we've been
> >> discussing
> >> here, it is essential in doing science to do so. Even if we
> permit
> >> Him in
> >> discovery, we have become accustomed to perceive the operation
> of
> >> the
> >> world to go on independent of God's direct action. We still
> can,
> >> however,
> >> by practice or simply commitment "see" or perceive His work. Yet
> it
> >> still
> >> remains for us something of an exercise, and not generally
> something
> >> that
> >> confronts, and even frightens us.
> >>
> >> This is my perception and a theological story goes with it that
> I
> >> will not
> >> bore you with. I simply bemoan this fact and wonder if others
> have
> >> a
> >> similar understanding.
> >>
> >> bill powers
> >>
> >>
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