Re: [asa] Anti-Creationist Psychobabble On the Web

This argument goes both ways. You could more logically say that the need for it was born in response to specious creationist claims.

JOhn

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, mrb22667@kansas.net <mrb22667@kansas.net> wrote:

> From: mrb22667@kansas.net <mrb22667@kansas.net>
> Subject: Re: [asa] Anti-Creationist Psychobabble On the Web
> To: "David Clounch" <david.clounch@gmail.com>
> Cc: "asa" <asa@calvin.edu>
> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 3:18 PM
> I think the view below -- that this wasn't needed until
> we needed to discuss
> religion ... etc. -- has a good bit of truth in it. If
> the whole world is and
> had always been atheist, then "atheist"
> wouldn't even be word as there would be
> nothing to talk about. Until people started trying to
> abuse science to make
> claims like "God does not work in our world", we
> had no reason to clarify:
> "wait a minute --let's separate out your valid
> thought & process from the
> illogical leaps" & hence was born the need to
> distinguish. But this was NOT the
> birth of the "valid process" itself which is only
> now so elegantly described by
> the phrase "MN". If nobody had ever driven at
> unreasonably fast or unsafe
> speeds, there would never have been any signs posted or
> speed laws made.
>
> --Merv
> p.s. There is no term equivalent "mathematical
> methodology..." because nobody
> has yet tried to abuse math towards conclusions where math
> can't really go. But
> if they did --in a big enough way, the term would be born.
> But not the limits.
> Those already existed from the beginning.
>
>
>
> Quoting David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com>:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM, D. F. Siemens, Jr.
> > <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>wrote:
> >
> > Dave,
> > One problem I have is I don't know what teacher A
> does differently by
> > teaching MN than teacher B who does not. It makes no
> difference.
> >
> > Until you have a religious student to whom you feel
> the need to try to
> > explain something. BINGO! This trips over the Lemon
> test (and some other
> > things). IMHO. :)
> >
> > To those who are completely secular there is nothing
> to talk about. To those
> > who are concerned with religion then MN is needed.
> >
> > An analogy (all analogies are flawed of course):
> > If I go to the store and buy meat I don't need to
> know that its
> > "methodologically natural" (even though
> someone may believe it might be).
> > But if I go to the store and ask for Kosher meat, then
> religion comes into
> > it. MN is like that.
> >
>
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