Re: [asa] Lincoln and (now Douglas)

A detailed answer to this would be inappropriate since it is well outside the science-religion bounds of the list. (Note though how in my previous post I cleverly tied it to YECism!) I'll email Merv privately & will gladly copy anyone else interested in what I have to say. (But I don't have the time or inclination to engage in a whole series of email debates about the causes of the War of Secession.)

Shalom,
George

---- Merv Bitikofer <mrb22667@kansas.net> wrote:
> From one who is naive about civil war history (& have the advantage of
> not having any great ideological axe to grind here) I have to ask, what
> is wrong with Dr. Bugg's assessment? Was he naive to think slavery
> would just fade away? Asking our social studies teacher at school, he
> agreed about the tariffs but disagreed about slavery disappearing. Do
> all these malcontents wandering about muttering "war of northern
> aggression" under their breath actually have a point on this one?
> Maybe we could start our own movement and angrily mutter "war of
> metaphysically naturalist aggression" every time we encounter
> concordist-accomodationist crossfire-militant atheist crossfire. It
> doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily though.
>
> --Merv (from bloody Kansas)
>
>
> gmurphy10@neo.rr.com wrote:
> > You should have asked for a return of the tuition for this course if the rest of it was as fictitious as this. In that it resembles the YEC essay Burgy posted.
> >
> > Shalom,
> > George
> >
> > ---- Dick Fischer <dickfischer@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> When I was a college student studying American History at the University of
> >> Missouri, a southerner, Dr Bugg, was our professor. During one of his
> >> lectures on the Civil War he timed the ending to absolute perfection. He
> >> drove home the point that when Lincoln took office some southern states
> >> seceded, but it wasn't until he passed a Republican tariff bill on imported
> >> goods that the rest of the states could see what was coming with a
> >> Republican administration and the remainder of the thirteen states seceded
> >> and formed the Confederacy. His point was that Lincoln caused the war. The
> >> seceding states would have come back into the fold, slavery wasn't going to
> >> survive much longer and would go away on its own, and the lives of over a
> >> million men would have been spared. To this day I can still hear him
> >> thunder, "And the man of the hour was never Abraham Lincoln, but Stephen A.
> >> Douglas"! Then the bell rang and we all remained stunned in our seats.
> >>
> >> Dick Fischer, GPA president
> >> Genesis Proclaimed Association
> >> "Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"
> >> www.genesisproclaimed.org
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> >> Behalf Of Ted Davis
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:09 AM
> >> To: asa@calvin.edu; gordon brown
> >> Subject: Re: [asa] Lincoln and Darwin
> >>
> >> I read somewhere last year (I think in a history magazine, but in something
> >> by a professional historian), in an article on Lincoln and Darwin, that the
> >> 3 individuals about whom historians had written the most were, in order:
> >>
> >> Jesus
> >> Napoleon
> >> Lincoln
> >>
> >> Darwin was somewhere down the list.
> >>
> >> IMO, Darwin was probably the most influential scientist of the 19th
> >> century, in terms of influence of ideas on the wider culture. But that's
> >> certainly an arguable point -- who is to say that Faraday or Maxwell or
> >> Pasteur or Liebig or ... well, you can probably come up with several other
> >> names here, wasn't equally influential, since their ideas ended up in
> >> zillions of important applications. It depends on the kinds of influences
> >> you want to talk about.
> >>
> >> Darwin was also IMO one of the greatest scientists of his century, but
> >> (again) you can make a good case for Helmholtz (he's my own choice for
> >> number one) and others.
> >>
> >> When it comes to statesmen from that century, however, it's hard to make a
> >> case for anyone other than Lincoln, IMO. Certainly the greatest American
> >> president of any century, and enormously influential all over the world.
> >>
> >> As a single bicentennial day, I doubt there's a more important one than
> >> this when it comes to multiple individuals.
> >>
> >> Ted
> >>
>
>

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Received on Fri Feb 13 18:33:22 2009