RE: [asa] winning the war

I think you have to be more careful in regards to defining a culture
than just by picking something like views about evolution or even the
age of the earth. Do they take vitamins, watch their cholesterol, speak
of electricity, radio waves, and other invisible things as if they're next
door neighbors? These things and a host of others are signs of the
"scientific" culture. Attitudes about how to determine if something is
true or false, and other attitudes that are adopted from science might be
other signs to look for. It seems to me that the entire issue of
evolution or age of the earth is addressed within the context of a
"scientific" culture. I've been to some YEC conferences and their
presumptions and methods are adopted from and make sense only in a
"scientific" culture. In fact, many would claim that evolution, to take
one, is simply bad science.

Well, enough said.

bill powers
White, SD

  On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Wendee Holtcamp
wrote:

> I agree about the culture war... living in TX boy howdy... the understanding
> of evolution is just way out there and it's very very right-wing around
> here, even in Houston which surprisingly enough went blue in the election.
> And I taught college bio for years and some of that goes into my book. Some
> of the things students said when I asked them what they thought evo meant
> was very revealing. It pretty much reflected Stephen Colbert's quote, which
> cracks me up:
>
> “Evolution is that like, millions and billions of years of mutations and
> recombinations and cosmic rays knock something out of one DNA so when the
> mitosis or myosis or whatever –osis come together something else happens and
> the fur falls off and suddenly King Kong is a man?”
>
> However I have also found a lot of very open minds when people sit down and
> talk to me about it. That has perhaps been the most (pleasantly) surprising
> thing to me. It's clear that they learn what evolution is not from biology
> in h.s. like they should but from their parents and pastors and peers...
>
> Wendee
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of John Burgeson (ASA member)
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:59 PM
> To: Bill Powers
> Cc: ASA
> Subject: Re: [asa] winning the war
>
>>> It is ridiculous to think that the religious right is winning any culture
> war. >>
>
> I take it that you do not live down here in the Bible Belt.
>
> I think the author has a valid point.
>
> Burgy
>
> On 2/11/09, Bill Powers <wjp@swcp.com> wrote:
>> It is ridiculous to think that the religious right is winning any
>> culture war. We live in a "scientific" culture, and have since sometime
>> after WWII (I would guess). If there is a war going on it is not with
>> the RR, but with postmodernism, which opposes the "scientific" culture.
>>
>> bill powers
>>
>> On
>> Wed, 11 Feb 2009, John Burgeson (ASA member) wrote:
>>
>>> At the risk of again "bugging" some on this list, see this link:
>>>
>>> http://www.jesusmachine.com/
>>>
>>> which talks about how the RR is "winning the culture war."
>>>
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