RE: [asa] Two questions...

Like kangaroos floating on vegetation mats, miraculous preservation of Noah
from atomic blasts worth of heat and radiation, deceptive appearance of age,
no animal death before the Fall, and rapid evolution of species after the
flood?

Jon Tandy

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of D. F. Siemens, Jr.
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:40 PM
To: mrb22667@kansas.net
Cc: haythere.doug@gmail.com; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Two questions...

The response to this statement needs to go a lot further. For example, at
one time the YECs held that there was an ice or water sphere around the
earth, their version of the firmament. Glenn showed that it would have the
atmospheric temperature above boiling. This firmament was supposed to have
provided water for the flood, but various references indicated that it was
still present during David's lifetime. However, YEC views did not place the
sun and moon upon this firmament, where scripture says they were. They also
ignore the fact that the moon is a light as much as the sun is, so it cannot
merely reflect sunlight. The change in meaning is so familiar that Hayworth
does not recognize it as a change.

A careful reading of the Hebrew text will present many more revisions by
YEC.
Dave (ASA)

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:20:16 -0600 Merv Bitikofer <mrb22667@kansas.net>
writes:
> Douglas Hayworth wrote:
> > In fact, I would say that straightforward-YEC is theologically a
> > more defensible position than concordism because
> it
> > does not add modern human ideas to the original meaning of
> scripture.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> I think this could be fleshed out quite a bit more. Does YEC really
> not add anything new to Scripture? What about the proposition that
> evidence seen in nature (indirect, but persistent observation, if you
> will) should be discarded if it conflicts with a certain understanding
> of
>
> Scripture? I think the case could be made that the Biblical writers
>
> from thousands of years ago, and church fathers from hundreds of years
> ago all had a much more integrated view of truth both as revealed
> through prophets and as seen in the created order. I'm not so sure
> they would have accepted as sacred truth something that was already in
> their time observed to be false. It may have been as recent as Thomas
> Huxley before we saw the advent of widespread mutual distrust between
> the keepers of truth in theology and the pursuants of truth in nature.
> This
> widely promoted divorce is, perhaps, the recent aberration that does
>
> violence to our understanding of God and His world. Other concordists
> may, of course, be guilty of just the same, but I fail to see how YECs
> could be exempted from that. Whatever TEs may be guilty of, they at
>
> least still adhere to the seamless garment (*All* truth is God's
> truth)
> in a way that seems increasingly out of reach for YECs even though
> they may still claim the phrase on the surface.
>
> --Merv
>
>
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