Re: [asa] Galileo Statue Nixed

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Burgy

On 2/2/09, gmurphy10@neo.rr.com <gmurphy10@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> ASA is open to all Christians who accept the statement of faith.
> Historically the great majority of its members have been "evangelical
> protestants" I'd rather be called an evangelical cathjolic myself.
>
> Shalom,
> George
>
> ---- Gregory Arago <gregoryarago@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> "I wish, we evangelical protestants had such a careful, nuanced and honest
>> way of integrating all this." - David O.
>>
>> Wondering if ASA is mainly an 'evangelical protestants' association or
>> rather a Christian association that welcomes all denominations and
>> branches in the Christian Church equally or impartially?
>>
>> The Wiki entry for ASA, for example, doesn't contain the word
>> 'evangelical' in the content. ASA is classified under 'Evangelical
>> parachurch organisations,' though perhaps that could use adjustment as
>> well.
>>
>> I guess I'm just curious about the language of 'we evangelical
>> protestants' David, where perhaps more objectivity and ecumenism in this
>> case would benefit.
>>
>> Gregory
>>
>> --- On Mon, 2/2/09, David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [asa] Galileo Statue Nixed
>> To: "George Cooper" <georgecooper@sbcglobal.net>
>> Cc: asa@calvin.edu
>> Received: Monday, February 2, 2009, 10:23 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Guys, you're reading too much into this statute thing, I think. Take a
>> look at the Vatican's most recent report on creation and evolution
>> (published as a book, with a warm introduction by Pope Benedict). I wish,
>> I wish, I wish, we evangelical protestants had such a careful, nuanced and
>> honest way of integrating all this.
>>
>> David W. Opderbeck
>> Associate Professor of Law
>> Seton Hall University Law School
>> Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:50 PM, George Cooper <georgecooper@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dick,
>>
>> Yes, there are pros and cons to honoring those that have been scorned.
>> Your view may be the wiser, but the decision is very subjective. IMO, I
>> think the "Church", especially the Pope, would have more to gain than lose
>> by continuing with the statute placement. Galileo was faithful to his
>> faith and the Church; he was one of theirs. He was personal friends with
>> many of the Cardinals and with the Popes, though he fell from grace with
>> Urban, obviously. He is also, rightfully, still beloved by Italians, and
>> that too must be considered.
>>
>> Your comparison of honoring Galileo with Darwin is a good one. No doubt
>> there are many church bodies that would not object to honoring, though
>> there would be many that would be quite resentful of such an idea. It
>> seems to surprise some that Darwin's cornerstone came from Rev. Thomas
>> Malthus ideas on populations. I certainly don't expect any statue
>> arising at my church's facility, but perhaps they could let loose a bunch
>> of pigeons there at Westminster Abbey; Newton won't mind. J
>>
>> Coope
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Dick Fischer [mailto:dickfischer@verizon.net]
>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:20 PM
>> To: 'George Cooper'
>> Cc: ASA
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: RE: [asa] Galileo Statue Nixed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Coope:
>>
>> I think it is one thing for a religious organization, and in this case a
>> major religion, to admit to previous mistakes. It's quite another to
>> celebrate them. It's in that same vein that I have some misgivings about
>> celebrating Darwin. Okay, he was a brilliant scientist and made a major
>> contribution to our understanding of biology. But somehow I feel
>> overtones that serve to be a slap in the face to our Christian beliefs.
>> Maybe I'm just being over sensitive but if I were a pastor and Darwin Week
>> was coming up (it is) I don't think I would prepare a special sermon to
>> mark the occasion. I would prefer a science week to honor great
>> scientists and group Darwin in with Kepler, Newton, Einstein and others.
>> I would rather celebrate science than just Darwin. I think it has the
>> unfortunate ramification of sending the wrong message or at the very least
>> a mixed message.
>>
>>
>> Dick Fischer, GPA president
>> Genesis Proclaimed Association
>> "Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"
>> www.genesisproclaimed.org
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
>> Behalf Of George Cooper
>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:43 AM
>> To: asa@calvin.edu
>> Subject: RE: [asa] Galileo Statue Nixed
>>
>> Hi Dick,
>>
>> Perhaps the sting of the Galileo affair will heal itself given more time.
>> *wink*
>>
>> The Galileo lesson is quite important in our day, too. There were
>> mistakes made by both sides. One year ago, the Pope was forced to cancel
>> his trip to La Sapienza due to the protests from students and numerous
>> faculty over a statement made by the Pope (while a Cardinal) 18 years
>> earlier that condoned the Church's judgement upon Galileo. It will be
>> helpful for the Church to erect the statute.
>>
>> Coope
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Dick Fischer
>> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:43 PM
>> To: ASA
>> Subject: [asa] Galileo Statue Nixed
>>
>> Galileo statue nixed. (He doesn't look happy about it.)
>>
>> http://scienceandreligiontoday.blogspot.com/2009/01/galileo-wont-get-vatican-statue-anytime.html
>>
>> Galileo Won't Get Vatican Statue Anytime Soon
>> Posted: 30 Jan 2009 07:02 PM CST
>> Back in March, we told you about the Vatican's plans to erect a statue of
>> Galileo in its gardens—both to mark the 400th anniversary of his telescope
>> and to help fully rehabilitate his image. (After the Catholic Church
>> charged the astronomer with heresy, he was forced to recant his scientific
>> view of heliocentrism—the idea that the Earth revolved around the
>> sun—during his 1633 trial.)
>> Now, it seems the plan for the statue is on hold, indefinitely. Monsignor
>> Gianfranco Ravasi, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, told The
>> Times that the statue had "only been an idea," which is now
>> "suspended"—though Galileo "deserves all our appreciation and gratitude."
>> Galileo, Ravasi said in a statement, can now be recognized "as a believer
>> who, in the context of his time, sought to reconcile the results of his
>> scientific researches with his Christian faith." And "the church wishes to
>> honor the figure of Galileo—innovative genius and son of the church," with
>> a number of initiatives this year.
>> But the statue is no longer one of them. According to Ravasi, the statue
>> had been designed, and a mold had been made, but the Vatican asked the
>> project's sponsor to divert the funds to projects in Nigeria and other
>> places "to foster a better understanding of the relationship between
>> science and religion." —Heather Wax
>>
>>
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