RE: [asa] C.S. Lewis on ID

Certainly, in physics, one can set up experiments that collect all the data that one needs to understand the physical aspect of Nature. Of course, the rationality, consciousness, and ingenuity of the physicist are needed to do all that. However, the data does not contain the physicist qua human being. Therefore, the physical aspect of Nature is based on data that has been collected as indicated. The issue is then, is all of science this way? I think it is so since that is what science is and the objectivity of the data so collected is beyond any doubt. To the extent that the science of living beings is more and more based on the molecular aspect of such beings, then the same is true in the living sciences.

 
Moorad

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From: Gregory Arago [mailto:gregoryarago@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wed 11/26/2008 2:47 PM
To: David Opderbeck; Alexanian, Moorad
Cc: George Murphy; John Burgeson (ASA member); David Clounch; john_walley@yahoo.com; Marcio Pie; ASA
Subject: RE: [asa] C.S. Lewis on ID

Do you think the non-physical cannot impact the physical, Moorad? If not, and if you only trust to the physical evidence, then you're inevitably leaving out an important part (or parts) of 'all' the evidence. This is called the 'reflexivity' problem in human-social thought, which is also not entirely absent from ALL natural-physical sciences, since they are conducted by human beings. It's a graduation from your earlier-20th century physicistic 'observer' theory; we are (as embodied, historical persons) certainly part of/connected with what we observe, hear, feel, believe. And we all dream! - G.A.

--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu> wrote:

        From: Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu>
        Subject: RE: [asa] C.S. Lewis on ID
        To: "David Opderbeck" <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
        Cc: "George Murphy" <GMURPHY10@neo.rr.com>, "John Burgeson (ASA member)" <hossradbourne@gmail.com>, "David Clounch" <david.clounch@gmail.com>, john_walley@yahoo.com, "Marcio Pie" <pie@ufpr.br>, "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>
        Received: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 10:35 PM
        
        
        I do not quite follow. What evidence did I leave out while I am doing physics
        research successfully?
        
         
        
        Moorad
        
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        From: David Opderbeck [mailto:dopderbeck@gmail.com]
        Sent: Wed 11/26/2008 2:11 PM
        To: Alexanian, Moorad
        Cc: George Murphy; John Burgeson (ASA member); David Clounch;
        john_walley@yahoo.com; Marcio Pie; ASA
        Subject: Re: [asa] C.S. Lewis on ID
        
        
        Because your methodology is intentionally NOT to consider "all" the
        evidence.
        
        
        
        
        On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu>
        wrote:
        
        
        However, when I do research in physics, I do not use any theological
        treatise to carry on my work. I suppose this is true when doing scientific
        work in any of the experimental sciences. Somehow, we have to be more
        specific and consider only the data that is truly relevant when doing
        unadulterated science.
                
                
                
                Moorad
                

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