Re: [asa] Vernon's other bible code (was: The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs))

John Burgeson wrote (12.11.08)

On 11/12/08, Vernon Jenkins <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net> wrote:
> George,
>
> But why would you wish to suppress things that are highly relevant to the
> origins debate and manifestly true?

My answers:

1. They are not relevant to debates on origins.

2. They may be "true," but most of us see them as signifying nothing
of interest beyond the obvious fact that it is possible to construct
mathematical oddities from almost anything.

having already written (26.06.08)

A long time ago I became convinced that there was little - or possibly
no - history in the first 11 chapters of Genesis. It is all myth.
Which does not make it untrue, or useless. But its intent cannot be to
teach literal history. Anymore than Mark Twain's intent was to tell
the literal history of a real person named Huck Finn.

My response:

John,

A Creator who speaks into being a short, meaningful and fundamental sentence of Hebrew, manifestly, richly and uniquely endowed with structures of numerical geometry (based upon features of Hebrew society that were to appear some millenia later), is hardly likely to be prefacing a _myth_! Your conviction regarding these early verses of Genesis together with your belief that my observations are of no relevance to the origins debate are clearly unreasonable.

As to these phenomena signifying nothing of interest beyond the obvious fact that it is possible to construct mathematical oddities from almost anything: given the circumstances - involving exceedingly tight constraints and the gift of precognition - you must surely agree that they speak clearly of _supernatural design and intent_.

As an evolutionist, believing Genesis, chapters 1 to 11 to be myth, you cleverly side-stepped the BBD and CC (i.e. 'Birds Before Dinos' and 'Completed Creation') problems. But now you have to rethink your position, let me invite you to help out Bernie who appears unable to find kosher evolutionary answers to what appear to me to be questions of fundamental importance to your cause.

Vernon

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Burgeson (ASA member)" <hossradbourne@gmail.com>
To: "Vernon Jenkins" <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>
Cc: "George Murphy" <GMURPHY10@neo.rr.com>; "Dehler, Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com>; <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] Vernon's other bible code (was: The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs))

> On 11/12/08, Vernon Jenkins <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net> wrote:
>> George,
>>
>> But why would you wish to suppress things that are highly relevant to the
>> origins debate and manifestly true?
>
> My answers:
>
> 1. They are not relevant to debates on origins.
>
> 2. They may be "true," but most of us see them as signifying nothing
> of interest beyond the obvious fact that it is possible to construct
> mathematical oddities from almost anything.
>
> Burgy
>
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>
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