RE: [asa] Vernon's other bible code (was: The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs))

Seems like there are two choices to any theory- ignore or confront. In the spirit of science, why not confront any theory, no matter how bad it looks, and respond to it appropriately?

Maybe it would look good to outsiders that Christians are confronting their own... cleaning their own house. Do Christians like to jump on atheists when they have a wacky statement, but if it is from one of their own, they ignore it?

Also, like the case with atheist evolutionists against creationists- they say to just ignore the creationists. But the creationist movement just keeps on growing.

Where do you draw the line that something is too silly to confront, but something else is wrong and needs to be confronted? Seems to me that as long as someone is strongly proposing something, we can reasonably and calmly address the points.

Personally, I think we have a big problem within Christianity when the older and more mature Christians are not stepping up to their responsibility in pointing out the folly of the more immature. Then the immature teaching spreads, and even causes a loss of faith for some. It is like being afraid of speaking about evolution at church because it may rock the boat, but then people leave the faith because they think it is incompatible with evolution.

I think the only thing one has to be afraid of is one's own comments. If what we are saying is right and true, how can an outsider fault that? Are you suggesting that some dirt is best left under the bed where no one (in the public, anyway) can see it?

...Bernie
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From: George Murphy [mailto:GMURPHY10@neo.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:19 AM
To: Dehler, Bernie; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Vernon's other bible code (was: The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs))

Has anybody considered how silly discussions like this will make the ASA list look to an intelligent outsider who happens upon it? Of course that consideration will carry no weight with Vernon but it should for others. I appeal to all of you - just let it alone! Do not respond to the periodic repackagings of his numerology. He will go away if no one rises to the bait.

Shalom
George
http://home.neo.rr.com/scitheologyglm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dehler, Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com<mailto:bernie.dehler@intel.com>>
To: <asa@calvin.edu<mailto:asa@calvin.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] Vernon's other bible code (was: The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs))

> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu<mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of gordon brown
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:09 AM
> To: asa@calvin.edu<mailto:asa@calvin.edu>
> Subject: RE: [asa] Vernon's other bible code (was: The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs))
>
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Dehler, Bernie wrote:
>
>> As for God's number being 888, that sounds weird; I'll look into it. Please tell me the exact link; I saw nothing at: http://www.whatabeginning.com/Misc/Wonders/P.htm . Is that the name of Jesus? Yahweh? If that's the number of Jesus, what about the number for Yahweh? Or how about God's real name, "I AM" as he told it to Moses when Moses first asked God His name? When it comes to numerology, "the devil is in the details."
>>
>> ...Bernie
>>
>
> Bernie,
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> The numerical values of the letters in the Greek name for Jesus add up to
> 888. I don't know whether Vernon finds this number in any other names.
>
> Gordon Brown (ASA member)
> . .. . . . .
> What's so special about 888? Shouldn't God's number be 777? What does Yahweh and "I AM" come to (nobody cares because the number isn't "special" as in repetitive, etc.)? If Jesus' name added up to 999, would Vernon then say that 999 is a holy number?
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> Example: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=777
>
> 777:
> One interpretation is simply that 666 represents humankind in general because of the special significance that the number has in the Bible. Six is known as an "imperfect number" because it is one short of seven, the "perfect number" (seven days in the week, seven tongues of flame, seven spiritual gifts...). So three (the number of the Trinity) sixes is seen as extremely imperfect. Therefore, 666 represents imperfect man, while 777 represents God.
>
> ....Bernie
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