RE: [asa] Vernon's other bible code (was: The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs))

Vernon- I don't think you answered my question. Why take the first 8 words? Is it because if you take the next word, number 9, the whole theory falls apart? What's so special about 8 words? What if it was 9, 10, or 11 words? What if it was just 5, 6, or 7? What's so special about 8?

Is God so powerful and brilliant that He can do this with 8 words but not 9 or more?

The Bible was written to teach about God. It is a theological book only. To get carried away by technicalities (wrong focus) reminds me of this joke:

Coming out of church, Mrs. Smith asked her husband, "Did you see that piercing that the Johnson's daughter is parading around with?"
"I didn't even see her," admitted Mr. Smith.
"And that dress Mrs. Davis was wearing," continued Mrs. Smith, "Really, don't tell me you think that's the proper outfit for a mother of two."
"I'm afraid I didn't notice that either," said Mr. Smith.
"Oh, for heaven's sake," snapped Mrs. Smith. "A lot of good it does you to go to church."

...Bernie

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From: Vernon Jenkins [mailto:vernon.jenkins@virgin.net]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:04 PM
To: Dehler, Bernie
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Vernon's other bible code (was: The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs))

Bernie,

You must appreciate that I simply report what I find. Clearly, I am not able to explain why the following things should be so: the _sum_ of Hebrew words 1 to 7 (i.e. Genesis 1:1) is 2701 (=37x73), 73rd triangular number; the sum of words 6 and 7 (...and the earth.) is 703 (=19x37), 37th triangular number - which, when inverted, may be plugged precisely into the former, thereby generating a trio of satellite triangles, each of value 666; the sum of Hebrew words 1 to 8 (what I have referred to as Genesis 1:1+) is 3003 (which may be factorised in a number of ways), 77th triangular number.

So, you see, in terms of _summation_, we already have an impressive geometrical opening to the Scriptures. But, of course, this is not all that arises in this regard. For a more complete overview, you may care to examine the page "The Beginning of Wonders" which you'll find at www.whatabeginning.com/Misc/Wonders/P.htm<http://www.whatabeginning.com/Misc/Wonders/P.htm>

I look forward to your further questions.

Vernon
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From: Dehler, Bernie<mailto:bernie.dehler@intel.com>
Cc: asa@calvin.edu<mailto:asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: RE: [asa] Vernon's other bible code (was: The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs))

Vernon- I just compared your text to blueletterbible.com, and have some additional questions. But first, a more obvious question. Why the first 8 words? Why are you analyzing the first sentence and a partial of the second sentence? The second sentence fragment doesn't say anything. I could see a focus on the first or first/second sentence, but why 1.1 sentences? You are essentially making a bid deal of this quote:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth"

...Bernie

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From: Vernon Jenkins [mailto:vernon.jenkins@virgin.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:35 PM
To: Dehler, Bernie
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs)

Bernie Dehler wrote "Please tell me EXACTLY which manuscript you are SPECIFICALLY referring to. I bet that in trying to answer that question, your folly will become immediately apparent."

Bernie,

You are clearly out of touch with a body of data that for some years now I've reported to the forum. The answer to your present question is contained in the page I originally drew to your attention, viz. www.whatabeginning.com/A4/ResDiff/P.htm<http://www.whatabeginning.com/A4/ResDiff/P.htm>
However, if you prefer not to look, the 8 Hebrew words referred to may be found at the beginning of any Jewish Bible. They include the first verse (Genesis 1:1) and next following word. They may also be fairly read as numbers because around 200 BC the Jewish people began using a system of alphabetic numeration based on their complete alphabet of 22 letters (plus 5 final forms). Details of this scheme may be found by linking from the foregoing page.

Vernon

PS You may find my suggested reading material for Michael further help in catching up with events.

V

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From: Dehler, Bernie<mailto:bernie.dehler@intel.com>
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Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:47 AM
Subject: RE: [asa] The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs)

Vernon said:
"Each of the opening 8 Hebrew words of the Bible has the numerical form Gi ..."

Please tell me EXACTLY which manuscript you are SPECIFICALLY referring to. I bet that in trying to answer that question, your folly will become immediately apparent.

...Bernie

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From: Vernon Jenkins [mailto:vernon.jenkins@virgin.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:39 PM
To: John Burgeson (ASA member); Dehler, Bernie; gordon brown; Michael Roberts
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] The Challenge (was Advice for conversing with YECs)

Gentlemen,

It is clear to me that you all miss the point of my recent posting. In essence, here is the problem I pose:

Each of the opening 8 Hebrew words of the Bible has the numerical form Gi = 105pi + 99qi + ri , where pi qi and ri are small integers and the parameters, 105 and 99, are significant elements of numerical geometry.

To attempt to play down this mystery in the ways you have, I find most surprising; in my view, they do you little credit as members of a forum of serious Christians and scientists. Why not grasp this nettle (for it is hardly likely to wither!) and set your minds to compiling a reasonable alternative explanation? This would surely be far more appropriate than contemptuous dismissal and inane ridicule, would it not?

Vernon

PS Please observe that 'Foolscap paper' = 'Red herring' !

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