Re: [asa] serious talk about ID and TE

Hi Randy,

You write:

"Perhaps a modification of the question could also be enlightening in differentiating ID and EC:

Is it a necessary corollary of the orthodox Christian doctrine of creation that God's action of design in nature must be detectable in some way through unique patterns in nature (beyond the very existence of nature, its fine-tuned characteristics, and the comprehensibility of nature)?"

Of course not.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the answers. But here is what I get out of it all - the answer seems largely dependent on the answerer who is answering. But this is not surprising. Here is an issue with three major concepts - Intelligent Design, Theistic Evolution, and Science - all of which seem to have many different definitions. I can only imagine that once we consider all the permutations spawned by all these definitions, we're dealing with dozens of different positions.

- Mike

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Randy Isaac
  To: asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 10:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] serious talk about ID and TE

  "Do you, Jack, assert that Christian faith logically necessitates that design in nature (not necessarily design by the Christian God, just design by some intelligence) can be perceivable only through the eyes of faith, and can never be established by scientific means? Or do you concede that someone can be a fully orthodox Christian, holding a "correct" view of creation, and yet believe that at least some parts of God's design can be demonstrated by reasoning from scientific data? I am not asking whether you agree that design is scientifically detectable; I am asking you if a person can believe in the possibility of design detection, and still be 100% orthodox in Christian doctrine?"

  Perhaps a modification of the question could also be enlightening in differentiating ID and EC:

  Is it a necessary corollary of the orthodox Christian doctrine of creation that God's action of design in nature must be detectable in some way through unique patterns in nature (beyond the very existence of nature, its fine-tuned characteristics, and the comprehensibility of nature)?

  Randy

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