RE: [asa] Non-controversial science

Dave said:
The faith in observation comes before the observation, the assumption
that we observe the real.

Yes, but we are talking post-observation where the evidence found "still
must be accepted on faith or belief", which I wished to qualify.

Coope

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:36:41 -0500 "George Cooper"
<georgecooper@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
> Randy said:
> Hence, I would suggest that the main limitation of "historical"
> science is
> that it is possible that crucial information may be lost forever and
> cannot
> be retrieved. But then in "observational" science there may be
> parameters
> that are beyond reach of our capabilities. Both have limitations.
> The
> distinction between "historical" vs "observational" is not the
> primary
> factor in what we know or don't know but the availability of
> critical and
> relevant data.
>
> Agreed, and nicely stated.
>
> Improvements in observational science should lead to improvements
> to
> historical science. Some years ago, I had little hope in finding a
> way to
> connect a brightly illuminated proto-Sun accretion disk with
> history. Then,
> out-of-the-blue (pun intended, sorry) came the discovery of Fe-60
> in
> meteorites. This strongly suggests the Sun had very bright and
> large
> neighbors during the early formation period, which is common in
> stellar
> nurseries. This now affords plausibility to Solar accretion disk
> an
> observer might describe as "waters.
>
> Bruce said:
> But science, just like theology, does not provide 100% proof of
> absolute
> truths. It provides evidence, sometimes apparent indisputable
> evidence,
> that still must be accepted on faith or belief.
>
> On this point I disagree since evidence can be objective and, in
> this case,
> faith is not required. We probably disagree on what faith is,
> perhaps, but
> when solid objective evidence is presented and tested, I consider
> it
> knowledge. This is consistent, I think, with Paul's view that hope
> that is
> seen is no longer hope (Rm 8:24). Faith and hope are similar,
> though not
> the same. I do agree with you, however, if the evidence you refer
> to is
> subjective in nature.
>
> "Coope"
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