RE: [asa] Rudwick does it again (back to Adam)

Hi Michael-

Are you suggesting that it was possible for reasonable people at the time of Moses to think that the Earth was shaped as a ball (not flat)? Why would they think such a thing, as it goes against common sense? We know better because of technology.

...Bernie

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Roberts [mailto:michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Dehler, Bernie; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Rudwick does it again (back to Adam)

I dont think we really know what people at the time of Moses thought. If
David Fouts is right (OT prof at Bryan) as he argued in an article in the
Journal of the Evangelical Theolo Society in about 1999 on exaggeration of
numbers in the OT, both of ages and census. He claimed this was common
practice and why the OT writers did this. It is accommodation worthy of
Seely! (and me!) The logic of his position is of course to do the same to
the 6 days.....

My impression is that people of OT times were more open than we might think,
but there is no research

Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dehler, Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
To: <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] Rudwick does it again (back to Adam)

The point is that the church fathers already started down a path of not
taking the Bible literally, unlike those at the time of Moses. Science was
awakening.

YEC's don't accept a flat earth- but surprisingly, some still go for a
firmament. They think there's a canopy of frozen water out there in space
beyond the planets and stars that we see.

...Bernie

-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of gordon brown
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:24 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: RE: [asa] Rudwick does it again (back to Adam)

Bernie,

When I try to think of ways in which the science of the early church
fathers differed from that of the writers of the Old Testament, the shape
of the earth is the first thing that comes to my mind. The church fathers
should have known that it was spherical, and we assume that the OT writers
accepted a flat earth, which is consistent with their phraseology. However
that was not a factor in the questions that some fathers raised concerning
solar days in Genesis 1 and the Flood being global. Do you know of any YEC
teachings that are due to taking flat earth phraseology literally?

Gordon Brown (ASA member)

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Dehler, Bernie wrote:

> The church fathers had a degree of science. For example, they probably
> knew the Earth wasn't flat, unlike the person who wrote Genesis and the
> original audience for Genesis?
>
> ...Bernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of gordon brown
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:23 PM
> To: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: RE: [asa] Rudwick does it again (back to Adam)
>
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Dehler, Bernie wrote:
>
>> What do the church fathers have to do with it? My point is that Genesis
>> was written by an ancient Jew, and the ancient Jews mostly took it
>> literal because it was the "science of the day." Most modern thinkers
>> don't take it literally now. Obviously there's a grey zone of transition
>> between the ancients and the modern. The church fathers are in a
>> transition point, I think.
>>
>> ...Bernie
>>
>
> Bernie,
>
> The point is that the church fathers were not influenced by modern
> science. When they asked how there could be a solar day with no sun or
> noted that wind does not lower sea level, the science they were using was
> exactly the same as was known to the author of Genesis.
>
> When YECs claim that interpretations contrary to theirs occurred only
> after the rise of modern science, they are simply making assumptions
> without doing the research. That also applies to others who don't question
> this YEC claim.
>
> Gordon Brown (ASA member)
>
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