RE: [asa] M-Genesis (the firmament)

Hi Coope-

Please explain, briefly, how the firmament (ANE science) fits into the M-Genesis theory. My point is that Genesis, in ANE context, was written by and for people who believed that there was such a thing as a firmament (a solid dome) that separated the water on Earth from that water in heaven (they believed the water in heaven was over the firmament, and the stars were hung in the firmament).

...Bernie

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of George Cooper
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 7:13 AM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: [asa] M-Genesis

Howdy Greg,

There is an evolutionary process found in cosmology. For instance, the
nebulae "species" will evolve into the stellar "species" given the
occurrence of adequate "mutations" (eg supernova blasts). Each star, using
this example, will be different than another. Also, these differences play
an important roll in subsequent events. Originally, there were no metals
(elements > helium) to speak of that are necessary for any bio evolution.
This analogy to biology is limited, but the point is how things do change
and, more importantly, they change for "the good". The paramaters of the
universe must be just right to allow these changes to bring about more
advance things. If you want sentient beings to emerge through natural
processes, be sure to design your universe like this one. :)

This view includes a Designer. The fine tuning aspects of the universe
infers a Designer, but it doesn't demand one. The objective arguments only
allow a subjective claim for a Creator. Thus, it isn't science since it is
not testable nor observeable. [Multiverse ideas offer one alternative,
especially for those who would object to such an inference as God the
Creator. Indeed, it is why I think some are quick to call them theories
when they are not. The more legitimate they look, the more God appears
removed from the event. ]

Greg wrote: Above you wrote methodology, now you write method. Most people
speak of evolutionary 'theory' or of evolution as a 'fact of natural
history.' Yet you seem to be elevating it into something more significant,
into a method(ology). Is this your intention?

[BTW, I am now using Outlook, but when I do a reply I am not allowed any
font control. Any ideas?]

Yes, I am using evolution as a general term for advanced change, and not
restricting it to biology. I am suggesting it is a wonderful and natural
process that was planned from the beginning. These processes are integral,
to some extent, to other processes. For instance, aren't gamma rays (or
their atmospheric products) one contributor to mutations? Black holes,
supernova, hypernova, GRB's, etc. may be important to such biological events
and the processes that form these are integral, along with other physical
parameters, to biological evolution.

M-Genesis does not address such ideas in any detail, but only considers what
a human observer might have seen and recorded. Evolution gives us an
explanation of the natural processes that took place that eventually led to
the observations that were seen and recorded on the day of each observing
event, though millions or billions of years would have transpired. [Again,
the six days are only six days taken from the days of Moses.]

Coope

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