RE: [asa] Theistic Evolutionists Clos e Ranks * (loonies)

Actually creationists and atheistic evolutionists do have something in
common. They accept the data and evidence they like and reject what
they don't like. I could never reject the reality of Christ even if I
chose to not follow Him. I know too much that confirms His walk on
earth and His message. Likewise with scientific evidence. All of life
looks to be connected through mutual, shared, common ancestry. What's
to not understand? If we just follow the path of believing what can be
substantiated and reserve judgment on what can't be confirmed, we can
avoid a lot of mistakes. That goes for creationists and evolutionists,
Christians and atheists, alike. Oh, and Louisiana too.
 
Dick Fischer, author, lecturer
Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham
 <http://www.historicalgenesis.com> www.historicalgenesis.com
 
 
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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of William Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:50 PM
To: David Campbell
Cc: ASA
Subject: Re: [asa] Theistic Evolutionists Clos e Ranks * (loonies)
 
 
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:22 PM, David Campbell <pleuronaia@gmail.com>
wrote:
Anyone who accepts evolution on the basis of the
scientific data, concluding that as best as we can tell, it describes
how God usually creates different kinds of organisms, is not accepting
evolution out of a desire to look good to atheists, and indeed is
directly contesting the philosophical and religious claims of
"scientific" atheism, whereas antievolutionism regularly accepts those
claims.

In fact both creationists and atheistic evolutionists have told me that
I "don't really accept evolution" because I insist that evolution
operates under the sovereignty of God. Both seem to insist that THE
definition of evolution requires random variation. And this brings us
to another definitional issue. A simple definition of a random process
is a process whose evolution is unpredictable. Since I am not God and
am not omniscient, many of God's actions are unpredictable. Therefore
my mental model of God includes randomness. So I don't have a problem
with the claim that randomness drives evolution. But my reasoning
doesn't make any points with either creationists or atheistic
evolutionists.

-- 
William E (Bill) Hamilton Jr.
Rochester, MI/Austin, TX
248 821 8156
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