RE: [asa] God, Chance and Purpose

One cannot place God in time and so "God has foreseen" places God in time. Verbs usually connote action with temporal duration, which are not applicable to God.

Moorad

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From: Brian Harper [mailto:harper.10@osu.edu]
Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 12:59 PM
To: Iain Strachan; j burg
Cc: D. F. Siemens, Jr.; Alexanian, Moorad; dopderbeck@gmail.com; grayt@lamar.colostate.edu; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] God, Chance and Purpose

At 11:48 AM 6/6/2008, Iain Strachan wrote:
>On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:24 PM, j burg <hossradbourne@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 6/5/08, D. F. Siemens, Jr. <dfsiemensjr@juno.com> wrote:
> >> Burgy,
> >> You're confusing knowledge with causation.
> >
> > I don't think I am. Claiming no particular expertise here, all I can
> > off is that it is my view that paradox is involved no matter if you
> > agree with Moorad or me (or any other view I've seen).
> >
> > If God knows that I will be in church next Sunday, then I can have no
> > choice in the matter. I can't handle that idea. I understand that
> > others can.
>
>Isn't it more the case that God knows what you're going to choose to
>do? After all the whole point of the Gospel is that God knew at the
>outset that we were going to make wrong choices; and that salvation
>through the Cross was the plan at the outset.

I think the point goes some thing like this. Suppose at some point
you have to decide between A and B. God has foreseen that you will
choose B. Is there any possibility that you can choose A? If not, how
can you claim to have a choice?

>Iain
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