Re: [asa] Who's to blame for the lost ones?

Woops --- I meant to refer to plants *withering* (not whither) --now I
have to apologize to any English majors present as well.

Merv wrote:
> I agree that we can't *really* evaluate the hearts of a group of 3rd
> grade kids (or anybody else for that matter), but that difficulty
> notwithstanding, Scriptures seem to have no lack of warnings about
> dangers to faith. I may not fully appreciate all the nuances of
> seasoned Calvinist theology, but since I'm not a Calvinist I have no
> burden to try and explain away the warnings in Hebrews about those
> "who have once tasted" who turn away again, or Jesus' references to
> millstones around the neck, or His inclusion of the temporarily
> flourishing plants that whither for various reasons (parable of the
> sower). I don't think these were just unnecessary ramblings about
> hypothetical (let alone impossible) situations. So to me, the
> question is still very much a live one ----about who should get the
> millstone.
>
> My apologies to the many Calvinists out there (including you, Jack?),
> much more intelligent than I, who no doubt have a theology that quite
> ably incorporates all such Scriptures. To some extent I can
> understand the whole notion of: "If they lost it, they never really
> had it" kind of thinking. We can't know for sure. But Jesus seemed
> to take the possibility pretty seriously in my estimation.
>
> --Merv
>
> Jack wrote:
>> The fault is clealy not with the "evolutionist."
>>
>> I know what you are getting at. But I think the blame is with how
>> the question is worded. I am not sure I know what "10 kids accepted
>> Christ in the 3rd grade Sunday School," means. Similarly I dont know
>> what "just left the faith" means either.
>>
>> True faith cant be lost, accepting evolution has nothing to do with
>> it. There are similar problems with the idea of "accepting Christ".
>> Perhaps events like this are not at all true conversions, but
>> instead an attempt to fit in with their other 9 peers, or an attempt
>> to please their parents.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dehler, Bernie"
>> <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
>>> Imagine this, you hear a report at church that 10 kids accepted Christ
>>> in the 3rd grade Sunday School. Everyone claps.
>>>
>>> Fast forward 10 years, and you hear that the kid who entered college
>>> just left the faith because they now believe in evolution.
>>>
>>> Who's to blame, the evolutionist who is teaching the lie of evolution,
>>> or the church who says that evolution is a lie?
>>>
>
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Received on Thu Jun 5 07:35:48 2008