RE: [asa] Explanatory filter

I also thought some clever editor was trying to hit a homerun with this one.
It would not be that hard to pause the upper portion of the picture and
allow the lower portion where the umpire is still moving. My guess is that
bat may not have been in a permanent standing position, but it could have
since it was standing in sand and one bats can stand in sand.

The big plus to this event is the number of observers. Whether by design or
random, it was an event that was observed. These witnesses act as fans to
whatever spark of truth or falsehood is claimed. [That pun almost works,
shucks.] They add enormous credibility to any observable claim; semi-blind
faith in a video clip is not required.

In this case, the video is copyrighted by the Mets and other versions aren't
available. Thus, there are some suppressive forces at work in the bat
witnesses' video testimony.

George Cooper

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Dick Fischer
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:56 AM
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Subject: RE: [asa] Explanatory filter

Hi Steve:

Obviously I don't watch enough baseball. I'll have to work on that.
I'll just add two more observations. First, the web site is
collegehumor.com where trickery is plentiful and also there is a
signature at the top right corner that the batter runs behind indicating
the signature was added after the fact. So we know the clip has been
altered.

Dick Fischer, author, lecturer
Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham
www.historicalgenesis.com
 
 

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Stephen Matheson
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:16 PM
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Subject: RE: [asa] Explanatory filter

Dick--

I regularly watch baseball. This is a very typical camera angle, and it
would typically remain fixed there precisely to record interesting
events at home plate from overhead. Also, the announcers did not react
"too quickly"; the scene was clearly a replay from the previous batter.
Your subsequent claim that the camera would follow the runner is also
inaccurate; in fact, I'm not sure I've ever seen the overhead cam follow
the runner, probably because it's fixed.

It might have been a "set up", or it might have been real, but your
comments don't illuminate the situation at all, and I wonder if you've
watched major league baseball anytime recently. If you had, you would
find everything about the clip to be completely unremarkable. Other
than the improbable (but not impossible) inertial configuration, of
course.

Steve Matheson
 
>>> "Dick Fischer" <dickfischer@verizon.net> 05/26/08 11:42 AM >>>
Hi David:
 
Watch any televised ball game. That is not a normal camera angle.
Also, the announcers would have followed the play, not remained fixed on
the bat. They reacted too quickly to boot. All they had to do was to
tie a thread to the bat handle and suspend it overhead after the batter
threw the bat. The whole thing was a set up.
 
BTW, I was at a party Sunday night in Burke, Virginia and met a retired
Army Colonel. We were regurgitating our military experiences and I
mentioned that I was stationed at Nellis AFB going through F-111
training in the early 1970's. Coincidentally, he was there at the same
time undergoing a course conducted by the Industrial College of the
Armed Forces. While he was there they took him to a secret underground
hanger where he viewed the remains of the UFO crash that took place at
area 51 near Roswell in 1947.
 
Thought you guys would be interested.
 
Dick Fischer, author, lecturer
Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham
 <http://www.historicalgenesis.com> www.historicalgenesis.com
 
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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of David Opderbeck
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 9:33 AM
To: Dick Fischer
Cc: ASA
Subject: Re: [asa] Explanatory filter
 
There are about a dozen cameras covering a pro game; the camera behind
home plate might not be the one the follows the runner.
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Dick Fischer <dickfischer@verizon.net>
wrote:
It's a fake. The camera operator is trained to follow the runner. He
wouldn't have left his camera focused on the bat while the runner took
off unless he knew the bat would stand on end.
 
Dick Fischer, author, lecturer
Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham]
 <http://www.historicalgenesis.com/> www.historicalgenesis.com
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Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 10:13 PM
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Subject: [asa] Explanatory filter
How would we apply the explanatory filter to this video? Can we
determine by probabilities whether it was edited? Or designed?
 
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1775904
 
Randy

David W. Opderbeck
Associate Professor of Law
Seton Hall University Law School
Gibbons Institute of Law, Science & Technology

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