Re: [asa] Question on inerrancy

Bernie,

Yes I am taking the apparently radical stand that God would not inspire
erroneous scripture.

David Heddle.

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
wrote:

> David Heddle said:
> "I think in general biblical inerrancy is demonstrated by stating that 2
> Tim. 3:16 sets an extremely high standard--like a teacher who claims "I am
> never wrong."
>
>
>
> Who says 2 Tim. 3:16 is a "high standard"- it doesn't claim to be inerrant
> but only inspired or God-breathed. I think it is your interpretation of 2
> Tim. 3:16 that "sets the high standard."
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* David Heddle [mailto:heddle@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 09, 2008 1:36 PM
> *To:* Dehler, Bernie
> *Cc:* AmericanScientificAffiliation Affiliation
> *Subject:* Re: [asa] Question on inerrancy
>
>
>
> Bernie,
>
> They have to, it seems to me, go together (inerrancy and inspiration). If
> the bible is not inerrant, then first of all there is no reason to believe 2
> Tim. 3:16. Secondly, if we magically knew that 2 Tim 3:16 was true, but that
> the bible was (pardon the double negative) not inerrant, then only verse we
> could trust is 2 Tim. 3:16.
>
> I think in general biblical inerrancy is demonstrated by stating that 2
> Tim. 3:16 sets an extremely high standard--like a teacher who claims "I am
> never wrong." The statement by itself proves nothing--but every time the
> teacher speaks, we measure it against the lofty claim. If an error is
> discovered, the teacher falls harder than if he hadn't boasted. So it is
> with scripture. We bootstrap ourselves into biblical innerancy by weighing
> scripture against the standard set by 2 Tim. 3:16.
>
> That's my take.
>
> Of course, even with inerrancy and inspiration affirmed, there is still the
> question of "what is scripture." Catholics have sacred tradition, but
> Sola-Fide Protestants (that includes me) have to accept that the canon might
> contain errors. Unless we assume that the Holy Spirit guided the selection
> process--giving us one Sacred Tradition.
>
> David P. Heddle
> Associate Professor of Physics
> Christopher Newport University, &
> The Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility
> http://helives.blogspot.com
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm arguing with a Pastor friend who supports biblical inerrancy. Here's a
> point I came up with- does it hold water?
>
>
>
> 1. To be "Bible-based," we should teach what the Bible teaches, but not
> go "beyond what is written."
> 2. The Bible claims to be 'inspired' but not 'inerrant'
> 3. Therefore, the popular Evangelical claim that "the Bible is
> inerrant" is to go "beyond what is written" and is not a Bible-based concept
>
>
> * *
>
> Therefore, for someone who wants to teach the Bible in all sincerity and
> truthfulness, should not claim more for the Bible than it claims for
> itself. This is ironic, because this statement says the more the one takes
> the Bible seriously, the less they should claim it is inerrant.
>
> * *
>
> *Back-up:*
>
> * *
>
> *For point 1:*
>
>
>
> 1 Corinthians 4:6<http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=4&verse=6&version=31&context=verse>
> Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your
> benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go
> beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over
> against another.
>
>
>
> *For point 2:*
>
>
>
> 2 Timothy 3:16<http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=62&chapter=3&verse=16&version=31&context=verse>(NIV)
> All Scripture is *God-breathed* and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
> correcting and training in righteousness,
>
>
>
> -- and ---
>
>
>
> *2 Timothy 3:16* (KJV)
> All scripture is given by *inspiration* of God, and is profitable for
> doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
>
>
>
> *For point 3*:
>
>
>
> National Assoc. of Evangelicals:
> http://www.nae.net/index.cfm?FUSEACTION=nae.statement_of_faith
> We believe the Bible to be the inspired, the only infallible, authoritative
> Word of God.
>
>
>
> *Comments?*
>
> * *
>
> Please keep comments short, as this post is.
>
>
>

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