Re: [asa] Humanity and the Fall: Questions and a Survey

Don't call the divorce lawyer just yet.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/aprilholladay/2004-10-14-wonderquest_x.htm
> Most of us learned the model for determining eye color that G.C.
> Davenport and C.B. Davenport devised in 1907. The Davenport model
> wrongly says brown eye color is always dominant over blue eye color,
> which means that two blue-eyed parents always have blue-eyed kids.
> We know better now.
>
> "Although not common, two blue-eyed parents can produce children
> with brown eyes," says Richard A. Sturm, a Principal Research Fellow
> at the Institute for Molecular Bioscience at the University of
> Queensland in Brisbane, Australia.
>
>

On May 7, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Dick Fischer wrote:

> Hi Rich, you wrote:
>
> >>You also are also way too obsessed with phenotypes when you should
> be looking at genotypes. This is like falsely accusing a woman of
> adultery based on the eye color of the child. There is a need to
> take a DNA test. The latter is definitive while the former is not.<<
>
> Now I have an obsession?. Let’s see, I have blond hair and blue
> eyes. If I were married to a blond haired, blue eyed woman, and she
> gave birth to a dark haired, brown eyed child you think I would have
> to resort to a paternity test? We were able to figure those kinds
> of things out long before DNA was discovered. It goes back to
> Gregor Mendel.
>
> Dick Fischer, author, lecturer
> Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham
> www.historicalgenesis.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich Blinne [mailto:rich.blinne@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:24 AM
> To: Dick Fischer
> Cc: ASA
> Subject: Re: [asa] Humanity and the Fall: Questions and a Survey
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Dick Fischer
> <dickfischer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Let's take your 51K figure for the last migration of H sapiens out
> of Africa. Black hair and brown eyes characterize black Africans,
> Asiatics and native Americans. Only in the area where cross
> breeding is therotically feasible, or dare I way likely, do we see
> human beings with blond or red hair and blue eyes, and a bump at the
> base of the skull. Since we do know Neanderthals had red hair and a
> clump at the base of the skull, and keeping in mind the bone-jumping
> predisposition of our forebears, why would we not suspect a
> Neanderthal genetic input? On what basis would you think otherwise?
>
>
> Here's your problem. 51 kya is the *first* migration and not the
> *last*. The PNAS study I cited looked at other scenarios with
> earlier migration(s). They didn't pan out with migrations starting
> at 51 kya. The model preferred by the data is migration from Africa
> into Eurasia *starting* 51 kya followed by exponential rather than
> instantaneous growth. Those who remain mult-regionalists do not
> claim that Neanderthal came from Homo Sapiens but rather the
> remaining Neanderthal had limited breeding with Homo Sapiens showing
> up *for the first time*. This is why I Iabel your view as bizzare.
>
> You also make the DNA extracted from Neanderthal as dicier than it
> is. While there is still a possibility of contamination by modern
> humans that would only make Neanderthal to appear genetically closer
> than they really are. As it stands there is too much genetic
> distance between Neanderthal from modern Europeans that would need
> to have been selectively swept away. The issue here is really only
> for the nuclear DNA because the MtDNA is relatively solid. The
> studies I am citing look at the MtDNA, the Y chromosome DNA, and the
> autosomal DNA. Combined with the fossil data they all point in the
> same direction.
>
> You also are also way too obsessed with phenotypes when you should
> be looking at genotypes. This is like falsely accusing a woman of
> adultery based on the eye color of the child. There is a need to
> take a DNA test. The latter is definitive while the former is not.
>
> Rich Blinne

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