RE: [asa] Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam

" While Materialism is still the dominant philosophy among scientists,
there is a growing number who are turning to I.D. for answers. As
Scientific American reported in its coverage of a 1998 Design
conference, "many of these people are not junior scientists but, ...are
at the top of their fields." These include people such as Nobel Prize
winning physicist Charles Townes, Francis Collins (Director of the Human
Genome Research Institute) and numerous other well-known scientists."

That is probably news to Francis Collins!

...Bernie

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Subject: Re: [asa] Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam

It's not encouraging to learn that an ASA member runs a blog,
anonymously, that

describes itself (in part) as follows:

"In recent years there has been a flood of scientific discoveries which
point

to the fact that the Universe and everything in it were not created by a

mindless natural process as asserted by materialists. Instead, the
evidence

points strongly to the conclusion that the Universe was created by an

intelligent designer. These discoveries however remain largely unknown
to the

general public. The Isaac Newton Institute was established in 1998 to
help

desiminate knowledge of these discoveries and their implications."

If that weren't bad enough, ask yourself how anyone even slightly

well-informed could have written this:

"Materialists generally believed the universe to be eternal in age and

infinite in size, therefore it needed no creator. While Materialism is
still

the dominant philosophy among scientists, there is a growing number who
are

turning to I.D. for answers. As Scientific American reported in its
coverage of

a 1998 Design conference, "many of these people are not junior
scientists

but, ...are at the top of their fields." These include people such as
Nobel

Prize winning physicist Charles Townes, Francis Collins (Director of the
Human

Genome Research Institute) and numerous other well-known scientists."

I'm not sure whether or not I should thank Randy for bringing this blog
to my

attention.

Steve Matheson

>>> "Randy Isaac" <randyisaac@comcast.net> 05/07/08 3:00 PM >>>

One of our ASA members maintains a blog http://www.idscience.org/ in
which the

current entry tries out a concordist approach. I don't intend to pursue
that

here (and will monitor the attitude of those who do!) but I did want to
comment

on the allusion to mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam. Do I recall

correctly that m-Eve is dated to about 60kya and Y-Adam to about 90-kya
leaving

about a 30kya separation? Have their respective geographical locales
been

pinpointed? Are they in close proximity?

I also think it is important to reinforce the understanding that
evidences for

m-Eve and Y-Adam are not at all equivalent to their being the only
female/male

of the population at the time, just that other lineages died out some
time

later. But I have a question in this regard. If m-Eve were monogomous,
doesn't

the fact that her "husband" is not Y-Adam necessitate that there were
other

males living at that time? And vice versa? How is the minimum population
at

some time in the past determined?

Randy

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