Re: [asa] Expelled Explained

From: Jack Haas <haas.john@comcast.net>
Date: Mon Apr 14 2008 - 10:00:04 EDT

Donald:

I not sure my comments are excuses or reasons.  Anyway.

Having spent my entire career in academic life I am well aware of the issues that arise even in the most idealistic Christian institutions.  Appearances, perceptions, motives,  and the "truth" of the matter
are difficult to discern even when one is part of decision making process.   Standards are more qualitative than quantitative.  Personalities count.  Consider how you will chose who you
will vote for in the presidential election.

One person's lynching is another's sigh of relief that the person is gone. 

Professional scientific organization have learned to stay clear of such disputes.

I would note that there is another side to the (few) cases mentioned in the film.  Check out some of the non-ID controlled blogs.

Come to think of it, has anyone ever protested the cases where people have been dismissed from Christian institutions for their
views on geology or biology?

Some random thoughts on a cool New England morning.

Jack Haas






Donald F Calbreath wrote:

My colleagues on this listserv really disappoint me.  I posted this last Friday and got only one response, and that's not really a response.  Am I to assume that everyone here agrees with the intellectual lynching that is taking place in our academic institutions?  Do you really feel it's OK to treat people the way these folks have been treated?  Do you run ID and YEC members out of your churches?  I would hope we could separate the differing opinions we have from the abysmal treatment given to these "dissenters".

Don (ASA member, but probably not for much longer)
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Regarding Sternberg It was a majority report and a political hack job
and the emails showed quite a different picture. Why is it that people
seem to sudde am well nly trust the US Congress?
Why does the University of Iowa not look good in their review of Gonzalez?


On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Donald F Calbreath
<dcalbreath@whitworth.edu> wrote:
  

How about a statement about the shabby treatment that Sternberg and others have received at the hands of the scientific community?  After all, the Congress of the United States found that Sternberg's rights had been grievously violated.  The University of Iowa is not looking too good at the way they treated Gonzalez.  And Baylor is really taking a beating right now with their tenure decisions.  It shouldn't matter whether you are for or against ID as such - it should matter very much if you are for or against persecution of scientists.  The people who are getting dumped on are not ignorant hicks; they have Ph.Ds from good universities and have made worthwhile contributions to science.

 Don (ASA member)
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If we're interested in integrity on these issues, perhaps ASA should
      

 > make a statement.

 Yes, let's do so. This film is an embarrassment to the Christian community.

 I am actually going to see expelled later today, as it happens.

 dennis


 On 4/11/08 9:32 AM, "Terry M. Gray" <grayt@lamar.colostate.edu> wrote:

 >
 >  From the Scientific American weekly podcast:
 >
 >
 http://www.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=34145C53-079F-CA62-1A6616EAA856735>
 7
 >
 > Predictably antagonistic, but I didn't find it problematical. Similar
 > to some of the criticisms of ID that we hear from ASA folks.
 >
 > SA has other Expelled resources at their site. From the podcast which
 > had a brief interview with Eugenie Scott. It sounds like NCSE is also
 > gearing up for other Expelled education at http://www.expelledexposed.com/
 >
 > If we're interested in integrity on these issues, perhaps ASA should
 > make a statement.
 >
 > TG
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