RE: [asa] We are not the only ones with integrity

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Chadwick teaches or
taught at a Seventh Day Adventist University, teaching science at
Liberty is like teaching creationism at Harvard, and Wise wears two hats
on his two heads as he sports geology credentials and has stated that he
believes the Bible teaches YEC. Could you find better representatives,
please.

Yours faithfully,

~Dick Fischer
Richard James Fischer, author
Historical Genesis from Adam to Abraham
www.historicalgenesis.com

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of James Mahaffy
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:26 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: [asa] We are not the only ones with integrity

Michael,

I am not sure why my post on the good response of Dave on how to teach
magnetism from a Christian perspective warranted the attacking the
integrity of the teaching of Ross and Wise. I am quite sure Marcus's
students would learn good paleontology if he teaches it at liberty.
Even if Marcus walks to a different paradigm, I think they wood know
which fossils were found in the Cretaceous.

I suspect the same is probably true of Kurt Wise. I know he has been
criticized sometimes for what he believes by YEC's and tried to join the
Christian geology group and was I am afraid not treated very fairly.

Actually it might help us get away from stereotypes to look at Art
Chadwick's approach to integrating science and Christianity from
http://origins.swau.edu/papers/geologic/geology/index.html I think
especially helpful is how he showed integrity in analyzing Pre-Cambrian
pollen and human tracks. The SDA have a tradition of good academics
even while walking in a different paradigm.

I intend to David's good question but I do not like to let us attack
straw men just because we dislike their positions.

bcc to Art and Marcus

James Mahaffy (mahaffy@dordt.edu) Phone: 712 722-6279
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>>> "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> 02/15/08 4:56 PM

>>> >>>
This also raises the question of what a Christian perspective is. It
could
be said that a devout YEC scientists like Marcus Ross, Kurt Wise, Austin
and
many others teach science from a Christian perspective. That creates a
problem as their science is simply plain awful and along with other YEC
perspectives have some characteristics which are not quite Christian.

Whereas science as taught in secular universities by atheists do not
have
these undesirable characteristics ( but may have others)

I am relieved that I was taught in a secular situation by scientists of
a
variety of faith perspectives but all with integrity

Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Wallace" <wdwllace@sympatico.ca>
Cc: "ASA" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [asa] Association of Christian Schools Curriculum

> James Mahaffy wrote:
>
>> Of course as a reformed Christian I happen to think all courses
>> should be
>> taught from
>
> a Christian perspective and that science is really not neutral but
> that is
> another story.
>>
>
> James
> I find the above claim hard to understand. Consider 1st year
> university
> Electricity and Magnetism as taught by the physics department. Can
you
> help me to see how that should be taught from a Christian perspective.

> When it comes to the humanities I can see your point but have a hard
time
> with much of the physical sciences. I have been watching Walter
Lewin's
> MIT video lectures on the net and wish I had been taught the way he is

> teaching.
>
> http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Physics/8-02Electricity-and-MagnetismSpring2
> 002/VideoLectures/index.htm
>
> I can't imagine teaching such a course from a Christian perspective
> and
> have it be superior.
>
> Dave W (CSCA)
>
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