Re: [asa] EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed

At 09:38 AM 1/22/2008, Jon Tandy wrote:

>Have any of you seen anything about this yet? (movie trailer for
>EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed)
><http://www.expelledthemovie.com>http://www.expelledthemovie.com
>
>Unfortunately it seems to me it will be another of those popular
>expressions of anti-establishment rhetoric that will in the end be
>more hurtful than helpful to the cause of rational
>Christianity. For instance, perpetuating the warfare model of
>Darwin vs. Christianity, when Darwin himself allowed for the Creator
>to be part of the evolutionary history of species; or promoting the
>view that Christian scientists are being universally persecuted in
>science, when what is often happening is their religious
>(non-scientific, or anti-scientific) positions are what's being
>rejected by science and scientists. ..." ~ Jon Tandy

@ "..promoting the view that Christian scientists are being
universally persecuted in science, when what is often happening is
their religious (non-scientific, or anti-scientific) positions are
what's being rejected.." ~ Jon Tandy

Of course this is merely an anecdotal experience: Comment #4: "I'm in
academia and even those who are theistic evolutionists are persecuted."

~ Janice ..(whose comment can be found at #7 below)

7 Comments:
http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/2007/10/expelled-movie-its-about-censorship.html
Anonymous
 Anonymous said...
"People will be stunned to actually find out what elitist scientists
proclaim, which is that a large majority of Americans are simpletons
who believe in a fairy tale."
Yes, "people" are often "stunned" by the truth. :-)
12/27/2007 5:37
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Anonymous
  Anonymous said...
great comment...
Mommy, tell me the story about how atoms, molecules and such
randomly, without true and realistic mathematic probability, began
the universe.
Who believes in a fairytale?
1/16/2008 1:13
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Anonymous
  Anonymous said...
It's about bribing schools to bring their kids:

http://www.getexpelled.com/schools.php
1/16/2008 1:52
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Blogger
  <http://www.blogger.com/profile/03884626369111604552>Gia-l said...
Pfsh, of course Dawkins is ticked off. He vowed not to debate
creationists because that in itself would imply that creationists
have a ground.
I'm in academia and even those who are theistic evolutionists are persecuted.
1/19/2008 11:00
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Blogger
  <http://www.blogger.com/profile/14136517859663946965>LifeEthics.org said...
Thanks for the confirmation, Gia-l . I've seen and experienced the
exclusion, even as an undergraduate and then as a medical student.
1/20/2008 9:58
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Anonymous
  Anonymous said...
You people are funny. None of you can explain what any alternate
theory might postulate.
ID is a psuedo-science, while the The Theory of Evolution is well
supported by over a 150 years of research and data. Not too mention,
that it has withstood 150 years of denialists taking their best shots
at debunking it, unsuccessfully.
1/21/2008 4:35
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Anonymous
  Anonymous [Janice Matchett] said...
Anonymous said... "..The Theory of Evolution is well supported by
over a 150 years of research and data."
Of course we must all be on the same page with our terms before any
valid debate can occur, to wit:
"Which theory of evolution are you talking about?
"...What is the significance of such a theory? To address this
question is to enter the field of epistemology.
A theory is a metascientific elaboration distinct from the results of
observation, but consistent with them.
By means of it a series of independent data and facts can be related
and interpreted in a unified explanation. A theory's validity depends
on whether or not it can be verified; it is constantly tested against
the facts; wherever it can no longer explain the latter, it shows its
limitations and unsuitability. It must then be rethought.
Furthermore, while the formulation of a theory like that of evolution
complies with the need for consistency with the observed data, it
borrows certain notions from natural philosophy.
And, to tell the truth, rather than the theory of evolution, we
should speak of several theories of evolution.
On the one hand, this plurality has to do with the different
explanations advanced for the mechanism of evolution, and on the
other, with the various philosophies on which it is based.
Hence the existence of materialist, reductionist, and spiritualist
interpretations. What is to be decided here is the true role of
philosophy and, beyond it, of theology.
Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the
philosophies inspiring them, consider _the spirit_ as emerging from
the forces of living matter or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter
are incompatible with the truth about man. Nor are they able to
ground the dignity of the person. ..."
Excerpted from:
Theories of Evolution
John Paul II
Copyright (c) 1997 First Things 71 (March 1997): 28-29. Address to
the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, October 22, 1996
And no, I'm not RCC, Baptist, nor any so-called "fundie".
1/22/2008 10:21
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