Re: [asa] Creation Care Magazine

Well now I think your paraphrase is inaccurate Jack. Sure, if the intruder
is in the act of murdering the family and there's no other alternative,
violence against the intruder might be justified. And yes, it's easy to
Monday morning quarterback, and the exigency of any situation has to be part
of an ethical determination. But I think my original point stands -- it
simply is not the case that this principle offers moral support to a private
right to bear arms. The case in which "the most effective means available"
to prevent violence against one's family *requires* the private use of
weapons is exceedingly rare.

On Dec 27, 2007 3:39 PM, <drsyme@cablespeed.com> wrote:

> Ok thanks for the reference. But again your paraphrase was inacurrate.
> It was Geisler, not Moreland. And you changed the quote: "Any man who
> refuses to protect his wife and children against a violent intruder *with
> the most effective means available to him *
> fails them morally."
>
> I think Geislers point is simply to say that if you watch someone murder
> your family, and you choose to do nothing about it (assuming there is
> something that you could do about it,) is immoral.
>
>
> *On Thu Dec 27 14:11 , Janice Matchett sent:
>
> *
>
> At 01:44 PM 12/27/2007, drsyme@cablespeed.com wrote:
>
> *Interestingly enough Janice was paraphrasing not JP Moreland but Ron
> Rhodes who misquoted Moreland:* "Theologians J. P. Moreland and Norman
> Geisler say that "to permit murder when one could have prevented it is
> morally wrong. To allow a rape when one could have hindered it is an evil.
> To watch an act of cruelty to children without trying to intervene is
> morally inexcusable. In brief, not resisting evil is an evil of omission,
> and an evil of omission can be just as evil as an evil of commission. Any
> man who refuses to protect his wife and children against a violent intruder
> fails them morally." He gives no reference.
> http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/qselfdefense.html ~ Jack
>
>
>
> *@ **Not so.*
>
> I just did a search and found the page from where I originally saw the
> quote - it was on the *"Karate for Christ"* page :) I just forgot that
> Geisler was involved with writing that book, also:
> http://www.karateforchrist.ca/EssEades.pdf
>
> Geisler wrote:
>
> "To permit murder when one could have prevented it is morally wrong. To
> allow a rape when one could have hindered it is an evil. To watch an act of
> cruelty to children without trying to intervene is morally inexcusable. In
> brief, not resisting evil is an omission, and an evil of omission can be
> just as evil as an evil of commission. Any man who refuses to protect his
> wife and children against a violent intruder fails
> http://www.amazon.com/Life-Death-Debate-Moral-Issues/dp/027593702X
>
> ~ Janice
>
>
>

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Received on Thu Dec 27 15:46:50 2007