Re: [asa] Creation Care Magazine

Janice said: *Private property rights along with the right to the
self-defense of them is adhered to by those (including the Framers) who
embrace the biblical worldview*
Indeed, Jesus preached alot about self defense and the right to bear arms.
Wasn't that in the Sermon on the Mount? Or was it that thing about Peter
cutting the guy's ear off?

Janice quoted: *"Free market environmentalism is what the economists at the
Property and Environment Research Center (**PERC* <http://www.perc.org/>*)
have been studying and promoting for over 15 years"*

Not surprisingly, at least some of the stuff on this site supports emissions
trading (see
http://www.perc.org/perc.php?subsection=5&id=406) -- the true Coasian
alternative to Pigovian taxes or direct regulation with respect to
environmental problems. So again -- by advocating "property rights" are you
advocating emissions trading? If not, how to you manage the transaction
cost problem?

On Dec 26, 2007 4:39 PM, Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net> wrote:

> At 03:43 PM 12/26/2007, David Opderbeck wrote:
>
> Janice said: *The key to sound environment management is property rights.
> *
> Unless, as Coase pointed out, there are high transaction costs (as when
> there are many individual property owners whose rights need to be cleared --
> e.g., where there are numerous individual residences near a factory) or
> impediments to bargaining (as in the international context where politics
> interfere), right? And this would include strong enforcement mechanisms,
> including easy access to the courts for individuals whose rights are
> violated, correct? Or are you advocating tradeable emissions credits, which
> are the sine qua non of Coasian environmental economics?
>
>
> *@@ *"..... *Vaclav Klaus*<http://www.ecoworld.com/home//blog/2007/06/21/vaclav-klaus-skeptic/>,
> President of the Czech Republic, and someone who suffered under communist
> tyranny, has put it thus: "When I study and analyse environmental indicators
> concerning my own country and when I compare them with the situation in the
> communist era, there is an incredible improvement. The improvement is not
> because of 'collective action' you advocate (it existed in the communist
> era), but because of freedom and of free markets."
>
> It's not easy to articulate the principles of free market
> environmentalism. When the air and water is fouled by pollution, the natural
> emotional reaction is to blame the polluters and demand regulations. By
> extension, the polluters are *assumed* to be motivated by profit, which
> in-turn is demonized. But it's not so simple. Profit creates wealth, and
> wealth funds environmental restoration. Central planning - communism -
> destroys wealth, destroys incentives, and the practical result is abominable
> pollution, worse than anything we've ever seen in the capitalist west, and
> harder to correct.
>
> Free market environmentalism is what the economists at the Property and
> Environment Research Center (PERC <http://www.perc.org/>) have been
> studying and promoting for over 15 years. When we began publishing EcoWorld
> in 1993, we quickly came across the work PERC was doing and we've been
> following them and learning from them ever since. *Their message is more
> important now than ever, as the emotional juggernaut called global warming
> threatens to drown out reason and demands immediate and extraordinary
> measures.
>
> *Incentives are not easy to formulate, and require governments to referee.
> But regulations and takings are even more problematic - in the extreme they
> lead to environmental devastation exemplified by the failed communist
> economies of Eastern Europe.* The question is one of emphasis, and free
> market environmentalism recognizes that private property, ownership,
> stewardship, incentives, and the profit motive properly channelled is
> superior to central planning. *This recent report by noted author Matt
> Ridley attests to his conversion to free market environmentalism, something
> that even - indeed especially - today's global warming alarmism should not
> consign to the list of endangered ideologies. - Ed "Redwood" Ring
>
> Much more: http://www.ecoworld.com/home/articles2.cfm?tid=434
>
> ~ Janice ... (Private property rights along with the right to the
> self-defense of them is adhered to by those (including the Framers) who
> embrace the biblical worldview. It is the unchanging backbone of the
> Constitution. Our government is set up by "we the people" and public
> servants are sworn to uphold and defend that Constitution on our behalf.)
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2007 2:41 PM, Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net > wrote:
> At 12:49 PM 12/26/2007, Michael Roberts wrote:
>
> Should we club together and get Janice a subscription? ~ Michael
>
>
> @ Why would I want a subscription to a cult magazine wherein I can tell
> you _exactly_ what will be in the various issues even before they're
> published? I can also tell you _exactly_ what inconvenient truths the
> well-known Marxist _globalist_ collectivists at EEN won't be publishing in
> any of the issues. Here's a sample:
>
> Hosea 4:1-3: "Hear the word of the LORD...because the LORD has a charge to
> bring against you who live in the land: "the land mourns because there is
> only cursing, lying and murder, stealing and adultery ...."
>
> Isa. 65: 17-23: "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The
> former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. ... They
> will build houses and dwell in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their
> fruit. [No one will steal what they produce from them and give it to someone
> else in exchange for their vote]. No longer will they build houses and
> others live in them, or plant and others eat. .... my chosen individuals
> will long enjoy the works of their hands. Individuals will not toil in vain
> [for a 'collective'] .." says the LORD.
>
> Rev. 20: 12-13: "And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before
> God... And they were judged, EACH INDIVIDUAL, according to HIS [individual]
> works..."
>
> Rev. 21:1-8: "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first
> earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. .. . . He who was seated
> on the throne said, 'I am making everything new!' .. the cowardly,
> unbelieving, abominable, murders, sexually immoral, sorcerers,
> idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the second death
> [complete/total separation from what they hated ( ie: all that is good) for
> eternity]."
>
> ~ Janice ... who knows that one of the "good things" they hate is private
> individual property rights. The key to sound environment management is
> property rights. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1944220/posts?page=9#9
>
>
> <http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1944220/posts?page=9#9%C2%A0>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Martin<steven.dale.martin@gmail.com> To:
> David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com> Cc: asA <asa@calvin.edu> Sent:
> Wednesday, December 26, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [asa] Creation Care
> Magazine Hi David, Thanks. That looks interesting. I also noticed
> that we (the ASA) are a partner organization. See:
> http://www.creationcare.org/partners.php. Not sure what exactly the
> partnership entails. thanks, On 12/26/07, David Opderbeck <
> dopderbeck@gmail.com> wrote: Of possible interest to list members: I got
> a subscription to Creation Care magazine for Christmas (
> http://www.creationcare.org/magazine/). Seems like a great publication
>
>
>
> -- Steve Martin (CSCA) http://evanevodialogue.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>

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Received on Wed Dec 26 16:58:53 2007