At 12:27 PM 12/12/2007, PvM wrote:
>Thank God, the pope has little relevance when it
>comes to climate research, but it is somewhat
>disturbing to see the pope reject good science
>not only when it comes to evolutionary theory
>but now also when it comes to climate science. ..."
>
>"But what did the Pope really say? Pope:
>Efforts must also be made to ensure a prudent
>use of resources and an equitable distribution of wealth. ~ Pim
@@ I know you only like to quote the pope when
you think you can use him to back up your C
ommie/S ocialist p olitical beliefs, but it won't work.
Pope Benedict denounces M arxist/C ommunist
influence warning where it leads: http://ncrcafe.org/node/1082
Rome Friday April 27, 2007 "...One Catholic
priest impatient for change is Seán McDonagh, a
Columban missionary and author of books on
ecology and religion. "The Catholic church's
social teaching on human rights and justice has
been good, but there has been little concern
about the impact on the planet. The church has
been caught up on its emphasis on development and
on resisting population control, but if we are
pro-life we should be banging the drum now about
climate change." .." http://www.calvin.edu/archive/asa/200705/0825.html
~ Janice .... for more on where the 60's
radicals and their "population control" ideas lead, read on:
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:33:42 -0500
From: Janice Matchett <janmatch@earthlink.net>
Subject: [asa] Scientists Urge World To ‘Have the Courage to ..", etc.
Two items. Don't forget to share (since these
"proposals" are going to affect everyone if we're
clueless enough to be Kool-Aid drinkers in the Branch Algorian Cult). ~ Janice
[1] Recently we saw the story of
<http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com/2007/11/abortion-and-sterilization-as-moral.html>Toni
Vernelli, the British woman who killed her unborn
baby and had herself sterilized because of her
desire to "save the planet" from the ecological
destruction her offspring would surely cause.
'Tax Parents for Children's Carbon Emissions' By
Patrick Goodenough CNSNews.com International Editor December 10, 2007
(CNSNews.com) - Having babies is bad for the
planet, and parents of more than two children
should be charged a birth levy and annual tax to
offset the "greenhouse gases" their child will be
responsible for over his or her lifetime.
At the same time, those who use and prescribe
contraceptives and sterilization procedures
should earn tax relief for such greenhouse
friendly services" that help to keep the population size down.
These proposals, by an Australian academic, were
published in the country's leading medical
journal on Monday. They drew a sharp response from a pro-family group.
Australia has a population of around 21.2
million. It recorded 273,500 births over the year
ending March 2007, the Australian Bureau of
Statistics reported last September.
Although the total population increase (net
migration and natural increase) was the highest
to date, Australia's total fertility rate (the
average number of babies born to women during the
reproductive years of 15-44) has been dropping
steadily for decades, from 3.5 in 1961 to 1.76 this year.
In 2004, former Prime Minister John Howard's
government announced a drive to counter the
declining birthrate, urging parents to aim for
three children, and offering families a financial
incentive that currently stands at around $3,670.
But to Barry Walters, clinical associate
professor of obstetric medicine at the University
of Western Australia, that undermines the campaign to fight global warming.
"Every newborn baby in Australia represents a
potent source of greenhouse gas emissions for an
average of 80 years, not simply by breathing, but
by the profligate consumption of resources
typical of our society," he wrote in an article
published in the Medical Journal of Australia Monday.
"Far from showering financial booty on new
mothers and thereby rewarding
greenhouse-unfriendly behavior, a 'Baby Levy' in
the form of a carbon tax should apply, in line
with the 'polluter pays' principle," he argued.
Walters said Australian parents who have more
than an agreed number of children -- he cited a
population-limitation advocacy group as
suggesting a ceiling of two -- should pay the
cost of planting trees to offset the amount of
carbon dioxide (CO2) the additional children will
produce. (Trees absorb CO2, which along with
other greenhouse gases is often blamed for climate change.)
He calculated that a birth levy of around $4,380
(5,000 Australian dollars) would cover the cost
of purchasing the land needed and planting the
trees required to offset one lifetime's worth of
CO2. An additional annual tax of $350-$700 would
cover maintenance of the forest.
Walters said medical practitioners had a
responsibility to point out the environmental consequences of having children.
"By the same reasoning, contraceptives,
intrauterine devices, diaphragms, condoms and
sterilization procedures should attract carbon
credits for the user and the prescriber that
would offset their income taxes, and lead to
rewards for family planning clinics and hospitals
that provide such greenhouse-friendly services," he said.
Walters implied that the controversial
population-control policies in place in China and India should be emulated.
"As citizens of this world, I believe we deserve
no more population concessions than those in India and China."
'Enormous value of human capital'
Another Australian academic, writing in the
Medical Journal of Australia in response to
Walters' article, agreed with his arguments.
"One must wonder why population control, which
was such a popular topic during the 1970s, is
spoken of today only in whispers," said Garry
Egger, director of the Center for Health Promotion and Research in Sydney.
"The debate needs to be reopened as part of a
second ecological revolution," he said. "Doctors,
as opinion leaders in the community, must be at the forefront of this debate."
Australian Family Association spokeswoman Angela
Conway said Walters arguments were "skewed and simplistic."
He fails to isolate the real reasons why we are
failing to manage our environment well," she said
Monday. "He fails to recognize the enormous value of human capital
to long economic and environmental
sustainability. He fails to put an appropriate
value on human family life to society."
Conway said traditional societies that value
children were more likely to seek economic and
ecological sustainability because they want to
steward the environment for future generations.
"Real solutions always come from human ingenuity
and inventiveness," she said. "Children are the
wellspring for society's human capital."
"Perhaps the children the professor would ban
will be the ones who would have planted the urban
forests, and successfully integrated trees back
into farming on a large scale," she said.
"Perhaps these children will be the ones who
might have creatively developed sustainable new
technologies and systems. Perhaps they will be
the ones to reject the economic and cultural
systems that underpin the profligate consumption of the developed world."
Conway said she found it sad that Walters would
see China's population control policies as appropriate for Australia.
"Does he make this recommendation in ignorance of
the terrible and large scale human rights abuses
carried out under that policy over the last few decades?" she asked.
Under population policies instituted in the
1970s, China restrict couples to one child, with
exceptions for some ethnic minorities and in some
parts of the country. The policy, which carries
punitive fines for violators, has led to abuses
including coercive abortions and forced sterilization, researchers say.
In a society where boys are traditionally favored
and valued for their future help to ageing
parents, another result of the "one-child" policy
is the abortion of unwanted baby girls, leading to a badly-skewed gender ratio.
Attempts to reach Walters for comment were unsuccessful.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200712/INT20071210a.html
*
[2] December 11, 2007
Skeptical Scientists Urge World To ‘Have the
Courage to Do Nothing' At UN Conference
BALI, Indonesia - An international team of
scientists skeptical of man-made climate fears
promoted by the UN and former VP AlGore,
descended on Bali this week to urge the world to
"have the courage to do nothing" in response to UN demands.
Lord Christopher Monckton, a UK climate
researcher, had a blunt message for UN climate
conference participants on Monday.
"Climate change is a non problem. The right
answer to a non problem is to have the courage to
do nothing," Monckton told participants.
"The UN conference is a complete waste of our
time and your money and we should no longer pay
the slightest attention to the IPCC
(Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,)" Monckton added. ( LINK)
Monckton also noted that the UN has not been
overly welcoming to the group of skeptical scientists.
"UN organizers refused my credentials and
appeared desperate that I should not come to this
conference. They have also made several attempts
to interfere with our public meetings," Monckton explained.
"It is a circus here," agreed Australian
scientist Dr. David Evans. Evans is making
scientific presentations to delegates and
journalists at the conference revealing the
latest peer-reviewed studies that refute the UN's climate claims.
"This is the most lavish conference I have ever
been to, but I am only a scientist and I actually
only go to the science conferences," Evans said,
noting the luxury of the tropical resort. (Note:
An analysis by Bloomberg News on December 6
found: "Government officials and activists
flying to Bali, Indonesia, for the United Nations
meeting on climate change will cause as much
pollution as 20,000 cars in a year." -
<http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=aPbfclqokwcw>LINK)
Evans, a mathematician who did carbon accounting
for the Australian government, recently converted
to a skeptical scientist about man-made global
warming after reviewing the new scientific
studies.
(<http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12>
LINK)
"We now have quite a lot of evidence that carbon
emissions definitely don't cause global
warming. We have the missing [human] signature
[in the atmosphere], we have the IPCC models
being wrong and we have the lack of a temperature
going up the last 5 years," Evans said ... Evans
authored a November 28 2007 paper "Carbon
Emissions Don't Cause Global Warming."
(<http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Evans-CO2DoesNotCauseGW.pdf> LINK)
Evans touted a new peer-reviewed study by a team
of scientists appearing in the December 2007
issue of the International Journal of Climatology
of the Royal Meteorological Society which found
"Warming is naturally caused and shows no human
influence."
(<http://science-sepp.blogspot.com/2007/12/press-release-dec-10-2007.html>
LINK)
"Most of the people here have jobs that are very
well paid and they depend on the idea that carbon
emissions cause global warming. They are not
going to be very receptive to the idea that well
actually the science has gone off in a different direction," Evans explained.
[Note: Several other recent peer-reviewed studies
have cast considerable doubt about man-made
global warming fears. For most recent sampling
see: New Peer-Reviewed Study finds 'Solar changes
significantly alter climate' (11-3-07)
(<http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/002586.html>
LINK) & "New Peer-Reviewed Study Halves the
Global Average Surface Temperature Trend 1980 -
2002"
(<http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/002599.html>
LINK) & New Study finds Medieval Warm Period
'0.3C Warmer than 20th Century'
(<http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/iWeb/Global%20Warming%20Politics/A%20Hot%20Topic%20Blog/E6BB2856-9317-4B0C-863F-A9C7AE47472B.html>
<http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/iWeb/Global%20Warming%20Politics/A%20Hot%20Topic%20Blog/E6BB2856-9317-4B0C-863F-A9C7AE47472B.html>LINK)
For a more comprehensive sampling of
peer-reviewed studies earlier in 2007 see "New
Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies Chill Global
Warming Fears"
<http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=84e9e44a-802a-23ad-493a-b35d0842fed8>LINK
]
‘IPCC is unsound'
UN IPCC reviewer and climate researcher Dr.
Vincent Gray of New Zealand, an expert reviewer
on every single draft of the IPCC reports since
its inception going back to 1990, had a clear message to UN participants.
"There is no evidence that carbon dioxide
increases are having any affect whatsoever on the
climate," Gray, who shares in the Nobel Prize
awarded to the UN IPCC, explained.
(<http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=155&Itemid=1>
LINK)
"All the science of the IPCC is unsound. I have
come to this conclusion after a very long
time. If you examine every single proposition of
the IPCC thoroughly, you find that the science
somewhere fails," Gray, who wrote the book "The
Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of "Climate Change 2001," said.
"It fails not only from the data, but it fails in
the statistics, and the mathematics," he added.
‘Dangerous time for science'
Evans, who believes the UN has heavily
politicized science, warned there is going to be
a "dangerous time for science" ahead.
"We have a split here.
Official science driven by politics, money and power, goes in one direction.
Unofficial science, which is more determined by
what is actually happening with the [climate]
data, has now started to move off in a different
direction" away from fears of a man-made climate crisis , Evans explained.
"The two are splitting. This is always a
dangerous time for science and a dangerous time
for politics. Historically science always wins
these battles but there can be a lot of
causalities and a lot of time in between, " he concluded.
Carbon trading ‘fraud?'
New Zealander Bryan Leland of the International
Climate Science Coalition warned participants
that all the UN promoted discussions of "carbon
trading" should be viewed with suspicion.
"I am an energy engineer and I know something
about electricity trading and I know enough about
carbon trading and the inaccuracies of carbon
trading to know that carbon trading is more about
fraud than it is about anything else," Leland said.
"We should probably ask why we have 10,000 people
here [in Bali] in a futile attempt to ‘solve' a
[climate] problem that probably does not exist," Leland added.
‘Simply not work'
Owen McShane, the head of the International
Climate Science Coalition, also worried that a UN
promoted global approach to economics would mean
financial ruin for many nations.
"I don't think this conference can actually
achieve anything because it seems to be saying
that we are going to draw up one protocol for
every country in the world to follow," McShane
said. (<http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0704/S00277.htm>LINK )
"Now these countries and these economies are so
diverse that trying to presume you can put all of
these feet into one shoe will simply not work," McShane explained.
"Having the same set of rules apply to everybody
will blow some economies apart totally while
others will be unscathed and I wouldn't be
surprised if the ones who remain unscathed are
the ones who write the rules," he added.
‘Nothing happening at this conference'
Professor Dr. William Alexander, emeritus of the
University of Pretoria in South Africa and a
former member of the United Nations Scientific
and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters,
warned poor nations and their residents that the
UN policies could mean more poverty and thus more death.
"My message is specifically for the poor people
of Africa. And there is nothing happening at this
conference that can help them one little bit but
there is the potential that they could be
damaged," Alexander said.
(<http://nzclimatescience.net/images/PDFs/alexander2707.pdf> LINK)
"The government and people of Africa will have
their attention drawn to reducing climate change
instead of reducing poverty," Alexander added.
Related:
<http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=c9554887-802a-23ad-4303-68f67ebd151c>http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=c9554887-802a-23ad-4303-68f67ebd151c
~ Janice
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