RE: [asa] Alternative to the Flood of Emails

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-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Bundrick, David
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:28 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: RE: [asa] Alternative to the Flood of Emails

I have twice sent e-mails to asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu to ask to be removed
from the list, but it has not happened.

Many topics are of interest, but I cannot handle the flood of asa-related
e-mails coming to my in-box.

David R. Bundrick, PhD

Evangel University

From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of George Cooper
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:17 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: [asa] Alternative to the Flood of Emails

Thanks for sharing your views on this topic, John.

John wrote: In marketing parlance, the forum is a discontinuous innovation
while email
is continuous. Continuous innovations facilitate uptake while discontinuous
ones don't.

That makes sense, especially for those who are available to answer emails
regularly; some of us are not, unfortunately.

Still, there must be a point where the "flood level" would become too
cumbersome since even deletions or transfers take a little effort. Often we
receive duplicate emails for each one. I don't know what that level might
be for others, admittedly. I suspect we aren't too far from it. It is a
healthy sign, admittedly; not all floods are bad. :)

People are in the habit of checking their email daily and therefore read ASA
emails that they would otherwise likely not read if they had to go out of
their way to do so.

I will disagree with this because I can type "asa" into the web entry box
and I immediately get the forum address in the pop-down list. This then
takes me to my password entry box which is already filled and I only need
hit enter, and there I am, in the forum.

In contrast, my email system drags along when I load-up in the morning as it
filters, I suppose, the 50 to 200 or so emails I receive. I usually switch
to another computer and perform work there to give time for the email system
to process. Of course, after initial start-up, emails come smoothly.

I STRONGLY prefer email to forums or blogs. In fact, I hate blogs and never
use them. I agree it is a good decision to stay with email if the intent is
to facilitate discussion.

Blogs are almost a waste of time for those who respond to them. I think
they are great for kids since they can fire-off a few statements without the
risk of much criticism. It seems rare that the blog author will respond to
even the best responses. Ad hominems, however, can illict a blog response,
and since folks like attention, we see more of these than we should.

Forums, of course, are much different than blogs.

One thing you can do in your email is to setup a filter in your Outlook or
mail client to forward all incoming ASA emails to a certain folder and you
can read them later without polluting all your other incoming personal
email.
That's a smart move. Is there a simple procedure for this someone reading
this will be willing to explain? It does not eliminate the time to review
and delete, but it does eliminate the manual transfers I've been doing. The
forum is superior because all posts are under one topic and not scattered
throughout as in the email list. In the email system, sorting by topic name
doesn't quite work as some topic titles get altered at times. They are
often duplicated, too.

I don't want to come across too strongly since whatever the majority here
prefers is the system I too want to support. However, if many members are
unfamiliar with forums, then more discussion on this might be warranted.

FWIW, in responding to emails as seen above, I delete the duplicate, copy
the original into this new email box in order to use the text color options
(not avilable in reply mode), added the name of the person to whom I am
responding, removed the > signs and deleted excessive rows, delete any
superfluous header, colored the comments of the prior persons to help
distinguish them, inserted the appropriate address (I tend to forget this
and must duplicate the email), correct the fonts (though I didn't this
time), and delted the carriage control codes in order to prevent the
chopping of paragraphs.

I am not always this tidy, but these things do make it nicer for the
readers. The forum format is nicer still.

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> John
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of George Cooper
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Fw: [asa] Flood of emails
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> Thanks Terry, that means that most everyone at least knows about it. I am
> still curious, however, why emails are prefered. I find both equally
> personable, but the forum has several advantages.
>
> I'll keep checking the email flood by asking "How high's the water Mama?"
> and see if it, hopefully, keeps a risin'. :)
>
> GeorgeA
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry M. Gray" <grayt@lamar.colostate.edu>
>> To: "George Cooper" <georgecooper@sbcglobal.net>
>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [asa] Flood of emails
>>
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>>> George,
>>>
>>> Several times we have polled our group here about this and each time a
>>> slight majority expresses preference for continuing with an email based

>>> discussion rather than a forum based version.
>>>
>>> That's why we continue.
>>>
>>> TG
>>>
>>> On Dec 10, 2007, at 7:54 AM, George Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, it is a more than I would like to see, but it is hard not to
>>>> address these interesting topics.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to know why the ASA forum
>>>> [http://www.asa3.org/members-only/ASAforum/ ] is not being utilized.
It
>
>>>> is much more orgainized, and it provides a great reference for future
>>>> use. The phpbb format is quite popular and works smoothly. I can
even
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>>>> edit my poor grammar.
>>>>
>>>> Are there some good reasons why we are only using emails instead? I
>>>> feel like we are out in the rain with our backs to our home's open
>>>> door.
>>>>
>>>> GeorgeA
>>>>
>>>> PS - Oh, and in the forum we don't have to redo our emails because we
>>>> forgot to address them to the group.
>>>
>>> ________________
>>> Terry M. Gray, Ph.D.
>>> Computer Support Scientist
>>> Chemistry Department
>>> Colorado State University
>>> Fort Collins, CO 80523
>>> (o) 970-491-7003 (f) 970-491-1801
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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