Re: [asa] Alternative to the Flood of Emails

 I'm for it. -Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: George Cooper <georgecooper@sbcglobal.net>
To: asa@calvin.edu
Sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 2:58 pm
Subject: Fw: [asa] Alternative to the Flood of Emails

?

----- Original Message -----

From: George
Cooper

To: Bundrick, David

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:58 PM

Subject: Re: [asa] Alternative to the Flood of Emails

David,

?

Assuming the ASA forum became reasonably active, do
you think you would participate in certain threads, especially?those that
are?in your field of study?? [Just curious.? I seem to be beating
a drum for some reason, though I am not that active, admitedly.]

?

GeorgeA

  
----- Original Message -----

  
From:
  Bundrick,
  David

  
To: asa@calvin.edu

  
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:28
  PM

  
Subject: RE: [asa] Alternative to the
  Flood of Emails

  
I
  have twice sent e-mails to asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu to ask
  to be removed from the list, but it has not happened.

  
?

  
Many topics are of
  interest, but I cannot handle the flood of asa-related e-mails coming to my
  in-box.

  
?

  
David R. Bundrick,
  PhD

  
Evangel
  University

  
?

  
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
  [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of George
  Cooper
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:17 PM
To:
  asa@calvin.edu
Subject: [asa] Alternative to the Flood of
  Emails

  
?

  
Thanks for sharing your views on this topic,
  John.

  
?

  
John wrote: ?In marketing
  parlance, the forum is a discontinuous innovation while email
is
  continuous. Continuous innovations facilitate uptake while
  discontinuous
ones don't.

  
?

  
That makes sense,
  especially for those who are available to answer emails regularly; some of us
  are not, unfortunately.?

  
?

  
Still, there must
  be a point where?the "flood level"?would become?too cumbersome
  since even deletions or transfers take a little effort.? Often we receive
  duplicate emails for each one.? I don't know what that level might be for
  others, admittedly.? I suspect we aren't too far from it.? It is a
  healthy sign, admittedly; not all floods are bad.
  :)

People are in the habit of
  checking their email daily and therefore read ASA emails that they would
  otherwise likely not read if they had to go out of their way to do
  so.

  
I will disagree with this because I can type "asa" into the
  web entry box and I immediately get the forum address in the pop-down
  list.? This then takes me to my password entry box which is already
  filled and I only need hit enter, and there I am, in the
  forum.?

  
?

  
In contrast, my
  email system drags along when I load-up in the morning as it filters, I
  suppose, the 50 to 200 or so emails I receive.? I usually switch to
  another computer?and perform work there to give time for the email system
  to process.? Of course, after initial start-up, emails come
  smoothly.

  
?

  
I STRONGLY prefer email to forums
  or blogs. In fact, I hate blogs and never use them. I agree it is a good
  decision to stay with email if the intent is to facilitate
  discussion.?

  
Blogs are almost a waste of time
  for those who respond to them.? I think they are great for kids since
  they can fire-off a few statements without the risk of much criticism.?
  It seems rare that the blog author will respond to even the best
  responses.? Ad hominems, however, can illict a blog response, and since
  folks like attention, we see more of these than we should.?
  

  
?

  
Forums,
  of course, are much different than blogs.?

  
?

  
One thing you can do in your
  email is to setup a filter in your Outlook or mail client to forward all
  incoming ASA emails to a certain folder and you can read them later without
  polluting all your other incoming personal email.
That's a smart move. Is there a simple procedure for this
  someone reading this will be willing to explain?? It does not eliminate
  the time to review and delete, but it does eliminate the manual transfers I've
  been doing.? The forum is superior because all posts are under one topic
  and not scattered throughout as in the email list.? In the email system,
  sorting by topic name doesn't quite work?as some topic titles?get
  altered?at times.? They are often duplicated,
  too.

  
?

  
I don't want to
  come across too strongly since whatever the majority here prefers is the
  system I too want to support.? However, if many members are unfamiliar
  with forums, then more discussion on this might be
  warranted.

  
?

  
FWIW, in responding
  to emails as seen above, I delete the duplicate, copy the original
  into?this new email box in order to use the text color options (not
  avilable in reply mode), added the name of the person to whom I am responding,
  removed the > signs and deleted excessive rows, delete any superfluous
  header,?colored?the?comments of the prior persons to?help
  distinguish them, inserted?the appropriate address (I tend to forget this
  and must duplicate the email), correct the fonts (though I didn't this time),
  and?delted the carriage control codes in order to?prevent the
  chopping of paragraphs.

  
?

  
I am not always
  this tidy, but these things do make it nicer for the readers.? The forum
  format is nicer still.

  
?

  
?

  
?

  
?

  
?

  
>
> John
>
> -----Original
  Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
  [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of George Cooper
>
  Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Fw: [asa]
  Flood of emails
>
>?Thanks Terry, that means that most
  everyone at least knows about it.? I am
>?still curious,
  however, why emails are prefered.? I find both
  equally
>?personable, but the forum has several advantages.
>
  
>?I'll keep checking the email flood by asking "How high's the
  water Mama?"
>?and see if it, hopefully, keeps a risin'. :)
>
  
>?GeorgeA
>
>
>> ----- Original Message
  -----
>> From: "Terry M. Gray" <grayt@lamar.colostate.edu>
>>
  To: "George Cooper" <georgecooper@sbcglobal.net>
>>
  Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [asa] Flood
  of emails
>>
>>
>>>
  George,
>>>
>>> Several times we have polled our group
  here about this and each time a
>>> slight majority expresses
  preference for continuing with an email? based
>>>
  discussion rather than a forum based version.
>>>
>>>
  That's why we continue.
>>>
>>>
  TG
>>>
>>> On Dec 10, 2007, at 7:54 AM, George Cooper
  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, it is a more than I would like
  to see, but it is hard not to
>>>> address these interesting
  topics.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to know why the
  ASA forum
>>>> [http://www.asa3.org/members-only/ASAforum/ ]
  is not being utilized.? It
>
>>>> is much more
  orgainized, and it? provides a great reference for future
  
>>>> use.? The phpbb format is? quite popular and
  works smoothly.? I can even
>
>>>> edit my poor
  grammar.
>>>>
>>>> Are there some good reasons
  why we are only using emails instead?? I
>>>> feel like
  we are out in the rain with our backs to our home's open
>>>>
  door.
>>>>
>>>>
  GeorgeA
>>>>
>>>> PS - Oh, and in the forum we
  don't have to redo our emails because? we
>>>> forgot to
  address them to the group.
>>>
>>>
  ________________
>>> Terry M. Gray, Ph.D.
>>> Computer
  Support Scientist
>>> Chemistry Department
>>>
  Colorado State University
>>> Fort Collins, CO
  80523
>>> (o) 970-491-7003? (f)
  970-491-1801
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
  
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