Re: [asa] Secret Emails Reveal How ISU Faculty Plotted to Deny Distinguished Astronomer Tenure

Why? What is the equivalent of carpet fiber evidence which is matched
to a known carpet?

Analogies have limited value indeed.

What is the obvious implication of the anthropic principle?

On Dec 6, 2007 9:03 PM, John Walley <john_walley@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> For GG to conclude a designer from all the just right characteristics of the
> universe is just as "scientific" as a jury finding Wayne Williams guilty of
> capital murder based on carpet fiber evidence.
>
> This is the hypocrisy of academia and those that deny the overwhelmingly
> obvious implications of the anthropic principle (aka, design inference) in
> nature.
>
> John
>
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> Distinguished Astronomer Tenure
>
>
> What I find so fascinating is how the media has mostly refused to
> accept the claims by the Discovery Institute and I have looked at some
> of this supposed evidence and found that the arguments are pretty weak
> at best.
>
> Sure, Gonzalez's involvement with Intelligent Design were a concern to
> the faculty but the Discovery Institute is making some assertions
> which I find poorly supported by the evidence. Some people have looked
> at the publication record of Gonzalez (and Behe) and found a
> remarkable trend.
>
> Also interesting is how Rosenberg was quoted and what the full quote
> revealed
>
> <quote>
> "Contrary to his public statements, and those of ISU President
> Gregory Geoffroy, the chairman of ISU's Department of Physics and
> Astronomy, Dr. Eli Rosenberg, stated in Dr. Gonzalez's tenure dossier
> that Dr. Gonzalez's support for intelligent design 'disqualifies him
> from serving as a science educator.'"
>
> <quote>
> The full context of that quotation is:
>
> <quote> "on numerous occasions, Dr. Gonzalez has stated that
> Intelligent Design is a scientific theory and someday would be taught
> in science classrooms. This is confirmed by his numerous postings on
> the Discovery Institute Web site. The problem here is that Intelligent
> Design is not a scientific theory. Its premise is beyond the realm of
> science. . But it is incumbent on a science educator to clearly
> understand and be able to articulate what science is and what it is
> not. The fact that Dr. Gonzalez does not understand what constitutes
> both science and a scientific theory disqualifies him from serving as
> a science educator."
> </quote>
>
> Now the DI may be able to help Gonzalez by arguing that this was
> religious discrimination but that would involve accepting that ID is
> religious. Not a very palatable choice. Instead, the DI seems to have
> moved from tenure to viewpoint discrimination and hostile workplace.
> Again, not a very plausible argument either.
>
> The DI attempted to generate media interest in the Gonzalez case and
> failed, outside Iowa few noticed and within Iowa the reception was
> mixed.
> They lost in the scientific arena, they are losing in the media arena,
> and they are losing amongst conservatives.
>
>
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