RE: [asa] yec claim (flood and oil)

This could be an interesting experiment:

Freeze a rock in a plastic bag of water.

Freeze this bag in a tub of water.

Next day, add some more water to create a new layer.

Do this for 10 days to build multi-layers.

Finally, take it out of the freezer, and pour warm water over it,
letting it sit on there until it melts a few layers.

Then, put it back in the freezer and create a few more layers over a few
days.

Then see what the layers look like.

The Rock/ice interface was untouched since it was in a baggy.

How to analyze... would need a sharp saw to get a good cross-cut on it.

...Bernie

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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [asa] yec claim (flood and oil)

> The solid-solid bond of ice to rock is very strong at low
temperatures. This is probably something that can't be calculated from
first principles, but it could be measured. The only way (apart from
mechanical) to loosen that bond would be to raise the temperature above
freezing at the interface. The only way to do that with water would be
to somehow inject it at the interface in a way that wouldn't freeze the
injected water. Ordinary flooding would affect only the outer edges and
surfaces of the ice mass and thus leave most of the ice cap intact.
Buoyancy forces would take effect only after water could seep in under
the ice. Hence it would take a long time to melt the ice cap and break
it free of the underlying rock. How long would depend on the
temperature and total mass of the ice. Without conducting experiments I
can only guess; but my gut says a lot longer than one year. We're not
talking car windshields here.
>
> An excerpt from the Web version of Encyclopedia Britannica on icebergs
states:
>
> "...Arctic ice islands and giant Antarctic bergs last as long as 10
years at high latitude. Most icebergs from western Greenland melt within
two years of calving from the parent glacier.
> "Once an Arctic Ocean iceberg has been calved and moves out to the
open sea, it usually transits Baffin Bay in from three months to two
years, during which time it undergoes some disintegration through
melting and calving of smaller chunks of ice from its perimeter. This
results in a decrease in mass of about 90 percent by the time it reaches
the coast of Newfoundland and the Grand Banks in the North Atlantic.
When the iceberg enters the region of the Grand Banks, where the warm
waters of the Gulf Stream meet the colder waters of the Labrador
Current, it has only a few days of life remaining."
>
> So if icebergs can last several years floating in cool seawater, it
would likely take many times several years for a worldwide flood to melt
the entire icecap. That, of course, is assuming God is not up there (or
down there) with a blowtorch to free up more water for his flood.
>
> Don
>

If a global flood didn't float the ice caps, I would think that it would

have left some sort of detectible discontinuity in the annual layers
that
would enable the flood date to be calculated.

Gordon Brown (ASA member)

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Received on Wed Dec 5 13:37:48 2007