Re: atheist babies (was Re: [asa] Behe's Math... was Arrogance)

But then there are those of us who are perhaps a bit more Arminian than we'd like to admit, and who believe that a parent's influence really is key

My thinking is that this reveals the basic problem with Arminianism: ?if salvation hinges on our own choice, then how can it be just for God to put babies in families where the parents will bend their choice?against him?? Isn't that unjust toward the baby?? This is just an example of the overall "injustice" of being a part of corporately fallen humanity; it helps to put the apparent injustice into focus.? But in Calvinism there is no injustice with this?as a few moments thought should reveal.? Parent's influence really is key, and God has ordained it so as a part of his means of grace or judgement.? This is biblical theology, I think, where the family unit and even larger people-groups are usually called to God corporately.

Phil

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From: David Opderbeck <dopderbeck@gmail.com>
To: Rich Blinne <rich.blinne@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: atheist babies (was Re: [asa] Behe's Math... was Arrogance)

But then there are those of us who are perhaps a bit more Arminian than we'd like to admit, and who believe that a parent's influence really is key......? (and some of us caught between Calvin and Arminius have children with profound developmental disabilities, and so wonder /agonize about how God's grace, free will, and sovereignty play into the fate of their own children?as well....)

On 8/31/07, Rich Blinne <rich.blinne@gmail.com> wrote:

On Aug 31, 2007, at 7:01 AM, George Murphy wrote:

> It might help to put this business about cute 3 year olds in
> theological perspective.??A few years ago a writer to the "letters
> to the editor" column of my local paper stated that "all babies are
> born 100% atheists."??He apparently thought that was a profound
> putdown of Christianity but it's basically what Augustana 2 says
> about original sin - that all people are born without true fear of
> God or true faith in God.??That is true of Skatje - and you - and me.
>

A visiting pastor was asked to do a baptism at a local Presbyterian
church. He said he would be willing to do that. He was then asked to
present a white rose to the parents. He asked what it symbolized.
Well, the innocence of the child, of course. He then asked, "then
what does the water symbolize?"

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